John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

Mr. Willly,:wink:

It was done in jest.:wink:

I think CJ Wiley & Jack Nicklaus should both have their names pronounced & spelled correctly.

Thanks again for your participation here & I just thanked Mary Avina in the Ask the Instructor thread.

Best Regards to Both of You &
 
Not to be confused with the Saint...

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Mr Mas,

Thanks for the chuckle.

Not much to laugh about today. Some rather intense 'discussion'. I'm glad I'm just reading. Well almost.

Regards & Best Wishes to You &
 
"you know a guy named "English". LoL

ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Willly,:wink:

It was done in jest.:wink:

I think CJ Wiley & Jack Nicklaus should both have their names pronounced & spelled correctly.

Thanks again for your participation here & I just thanked Mary Avina in the Ask the Instructor thread.

Best Regards to Both of You &
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yeah, she ask me earlier "you know a guy named "English". LoL I had to take a break and go play basketball with her and some friends. It was a beautiful day in Texas today. :)
 
Hogan's produced a slight Fade later in life, however, he still contacted from a TOI

LAMas said:
Not to be confused with the Saint...

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This Golfer used the TOI ... rememeber, it's also a key in golf to hit the ball from the Inside producing a slight draw. Hogan's produced a slight Fade later in life, however, he still produced a shallower "inside/out" downswing.

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Hmmmmm, the last time I got up on a pool table and used a golf club on the CB, there was lots of booze involved.

Golf swing has nothing in common with a pool stroke. Nor does playing golf no matter how much you try to apply the same concepts used in a sport played outdoors, where the "pocket" is very far away and only involves one ball.

To save some time, if you are ever in the area, stop by Edgies for some 14.1 or 8 ball. You just might be surprised.
 
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duckie said:
Golf swing has nothing in common with a pool stroke.
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True enough, but the concepts can be applied. Let's see, stay level, straight back and through, accelerate, keep the body and head still. Sounds like putting if you ask me. In the old days when players didn't mark their balls on the green, jumps and curves were actually put into effect.
 
duckie said:
Hmmmmm, the last time I got up on a pool table and used a golf club on the CB, there was lots of booze involved.

Golf swing has nothing in common with a pool stroke. Nor does playing golf no matter how much you try to apply the same concepts used in a sport played outdoors, where the "pocket" is very far away and only involves one ball.

To save some time, if you are ever in the area, stop by Edgies for some 14.1 or 8 ball. You just might be surprised.
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There's some in common. I teach both sports:

*Spin applied (or lack of spin) to help bring a ball to target
*Letting gravity assist/not fighting against straight line momentum
*Feeling of good stick work is counter-intuitive to most beginners
*Player has to challenge themself extra as a teammate is usually unable to help other than coach
*Stick may be custom fit to player's needs
*Etc.
 
Hank Haney and I are still talking about getting this on a golf channel show

BilliardsAbout said:
There's some in common. I teach both sports:

*Spin applied (or lack of spin) to help bring a ball to target
*Letting gravity assist/not fighting against straight line momentum
*Feeling of good stick work is counter-intuitive to most beginners
*Player has to challenge themself extra as a teammate is usually unable to help other than coach
*Stick may be custom fit to player's needs
*Etc.
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That's right, as well as using spin to maximize landing zones, (margin of error) on the fairways and approach shots towards the green/flag.

The grip and how the wrists move are a key ingredient and the same as how I use a golf club.....and a tennis raquet for that matter.

The mental side is similar and getting into the "zone" applies to both games.

Choking up on the pool cue is like using one of the 14 clubs in golf...shorter shafted clubs are better for the shorter/finesse shots, like in pool.

The feel for the game through the hands....essential at the upper levels of both games.

Alignment and footwork is very similar and equally important.

Playing position on a "hole" through calculating margin for error and understanding the best approaches to stay away from trouble ie: water, sand, rough.....in pool, other balls, scratching, etc.

Hank Haney and I are still talking about getting this on a golf channel show...who knows, it's a pretty good idea. :)

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duckie said:
There is one good reason not to try something. It can do more harm than good. Trying something just to try it really doesn't make sense.

In every person game, the needs to be a point where you are no longer looking for your way. There has to be a point where you say this is it and it doesn't matter one bit what way is chosen.

Once you pick that way, all your focus needs to be on your way.

Now, if you have not reached that point in your way, by all means try anything until you find what way you want and just stick to it.

Once you find your way,there is no need to try anything else.
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BeiberLvr said:
Regardless of whether or not you agree with CJ's technique, this is a horrible way to view not only pool, but life as well.
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BeiberLvr, if someone held the view that one should seek to impose one's way on others by bullying or by restricting people's freedoms, then it would be a horrible way to view life. I really don't think that is what duckie was advocating though.

In matters where there is not universal agreement on the best system (or even on whether there should be any system at all) then it's quite helpful to those trying to find an intelligent position to see all the arguments available out there. If everyone sits on the fence about an issue, then there is nobody left to put the best defence for any given position. I think it's a bit like the reason that the worst sorts of criminals should still be given good legal representation in court. You want to know that when you convict someone it's because they are guilty, and not just because a spurious accusation was never properly tested.

I think if you can find "your way" and stick to it, then great. There are questions about how long the finding process should go on, and about how best to respond to the discovery that you were wrong in the event of some astonishing hard evidence emerging in field which was previously dominated by conjecture, but at the same time there is something good about having the courage of your convictions.

Even though plenty of evidence has come to light during the life of human civilisation that the Earth is not actually flat, technically as someone who claims to respect the scientific method I should leave some room for the possibility that one day evidence might emerge that it is in fact flat after all. Nevertheless I don't think it would be fair to call me a bigot just because I will probably spend at least the next few years "sticking to" the belief that flat-Earthers are nutcases.
 
sounds like toi

duckie said:
A long time ago, a friend gave me the "Book of the Five Rings" by Miyamoto Musashi. Been a good read over the years.

This might give y'all some insight. A little taste and there are other sites that have some good cliffs notes on it. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Five_Rings
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*Know the smallest things and the biggest things, the shallowest things and the deepest things. As if it were a straight road mapped out on the ground ... These things cannot be explained in detail. From one thing, know ten thousand things. When you attain the Way of strategy there will not be one thing you cannot see. You must study hard.

Upon their mastery of the strategy and timing listed in the five books, Musashi states that you will be able to defeat ten men as easily as you could defeat one, and asks: "When you have reached this point, will it not mean that you are invincible?"
 
You need to read all the 5 books, but start with this one......and no TOI is not the way as is limiting you to one style only, one way only.

http://www.bookoffiverings.com/WindBook.htm

Here is a good summary if you don't won't to read the whole book before spreading your bs.

http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/2360-the-book-of-five-rings

The Fliudity of the Mind section is interesting, especially this "Inflexibility or a strong preference for one technique or weapon over another was worse than useless. Indeed, such prejudices could be one’s downfall"
 
he imagines the {object} balls on the table as "trees in a forest,"

BeiberLvr said:
Is a cue ball flat?
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I think there's a benefit to imagining the cue ball as "flat" when aligning the shot before you get down.

Jerry Brock told me one time he imagines the {object} balls on the table as "trees in a forest," that need to be avoided. I've also noticed if I think of the object balls as "masses" it's easier to see how to break out clusters playing one pocket or straight pool.
 
duckie said:
A long time ago, a friend gave me the "Book of the Five Rings" by Miyamoto Musashi. Been a good read over the years.

This might give y'all some insight. A little taste and there are other sites that have some good cliffs notes on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Five_Rings
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From your link.

"Musashi establishes a "no-nonsense" theme throughout the text. For instance, he repeatedly remarks that technical flourishes are excessive, and contrasts worrying about such things with the principle that all technique is simply a method of cutting down one's opponent. He also continually makes the point that the understandings expressed in the book are important for combat on any scale, whether a one-on-one duel or a massive battle. Descriptions of principles are often followed by admonitions to "investigate this thoroughly" through practice rather than trying to learn them by merely reading."

Hmmm, sounds a lot like what all of who are learning CTE and TOI and SEE methods are already doing. And what you are NOT doing.

Sounds like you read these books but you don't follow their teachings. You quote Bruce Lee and don't learn like him, you recommend Musashi and don't practice what he teaches.

You dare to call a master player a purveyor of BS. I wonder what Musashi would have done with a student like you? In fact I wonder if you would have ever even been accepted as a student by any master swordsman in the 1600s? With the attitude you display here I would guess the answer would be no.

And even more interesting is that Musashi appears to be much like CJ Wiley in that he wrote a book espousing techniques that defied conventional wisdom and favored sparse motion designed to get the job done quickly and consistently.
 
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