John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems

Banks said:
If you folks are going to keep jabbering about aiming systems being wonderful and hamb being weak, post something that can be measured. Have an apa player post their increasing stat history.. anything.
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Since you seemed to have skipped right over Neil's post, and the countless others that have been made whenever someone makes an idiotic statement like yours, allow me to spell it out for you.

A-I-M-I-N-G S-Y-S-T-E-M-S H-E-L-P A P-L-A-Y-E-R P-O-C-K-E-T B-A-L-L-S


It's never been guaranteed that any aiming system will catapult a player into the upper echelon. Simple common sense dictates that there is obviously more to being great at pool than just making balls. However, common sense, it seems; is a skill-set you are clearly lacking.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Since you seemed to have skipped right over Neil's post, and the countless others that have been made whenever someone makes an idiotic statement like yours, allow me to spell it out for you.

A-I-M-I-N-G S-Y-S-T-E-M-S H-E-L-P A P-L-A-Y-E-R P-O-C-K-E-T B-A-L-L-S


It's never been guaranteed that any aiming system will catapult a player into the upper echelon. Simple common sense dictates that there is obviously more to being great at pool than just making balls. However, common sense, it seems; is a skill-set you are clearly lacking.
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If they 'help players pocket balls', isn't it 'common sense' that there will be examples of players who have been 'catapulted into the upper echelons'?

But there ain't.
 
mohrt said:
Show me where anyone ever said instructional books/videos replace practice time. They can certainly help make the same time get you a lot farther, but not replace it. You obviously say this stuff to get a rise out of others. This is what is known as trolling. It should be a ban-able offense IMHO.
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You think recommending hard work and practise should be a bannable offense? :eek:

Isn't that what JS suggests? Is he a troll? Would you ban him too?
 
Ron Swanson said:
If they 'help players pocket balls', isn't it 'common sense' that there will be examples of players who have been 'catapulted into the upper echelons'?

But there ain't.
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No it's not common sense. There is no one magic bullet to do that. You have to have the total game.
 
Banks said:
If you folks are going to keep jabbering about aiming systems being wonderful and hamb being weak, post something that can be measured. Have an apa player post their increasing stat history.. anything.
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Nobody says HAMB is weak. You can work on all parts of the game while using HAMB. It will just be more exact because of the success of actually making the ball as opposed to just bouncing it off the rail.
 

In 1995 pro's were asked, "What is your secret to aiming"

Steve Mizerak - "Pocketing balls is an instinctive skill that is learned from trial and error. It can't be mastered from playing once a week. Instead of hitting twenty balls to learn a shot, I hit two hundred balls. I haven't found an easier way yet!"

Loree Jon Jones - "Aiming comes naturally for me, where I've always just known where to hit. It's very difficult for me to teach people to aim because of this!"

Mike Massey - "I've tried a lot of systems but mostly you have to play from feel. You have to practice all types of feel, practice all type of hits."

Earl Strickland - "I've played so much that I don't have to think about it. But I also spin the balls in, as I think many of the pros do; they're using so much english all the time. Pros spin the ball in the hole and that's mostly from feel. If you're really going to learn to aim, you have to know better how to spin the ball, and what effect that's having on the object ball."

Nikki Benish - "This is how I learned, but I doubt if I use it anymore because when you're a professional every shot you see you've seen and shot at least a hundred times before. On the toughest shots I was taught to try to pick out a spot on the object ball, combined with the imaginary cue ball method."

Jim Rempe - "I aim directly at the contact point. I also use the ghost ball theory, but it's more repetitious in your mind when you play a lot. In other words, I don't really visualize the ball anymore, it's automatic."

Efren Reyes - "When you put a lot of english on the cue ball you adjust a little bit, often aiming exactly at the contact point of an object ball. So it very much depends on my next shot how I will aim."

C.J. Wiley offers that you must aim before you get down on the ball by lining up correctly, of course, but adds that as far as his aiming method itself,
"There are certain things you don't tell. Last time I wrote anything about aiming, somebody copied it and started selling it."

Bottom line: everyone does it differently and there is only one thing they have in common...they spend a lot of time practicing shots and less time trying to convince people their way is the only way!
 
BeiberLvr said:
Since you seemed to have skipped right over Neil's post, and the countless others that have been made whenever someone makes an idiotic statement like yours, allow me to spell it out for you.

A-I-M-I-N-G S-Y-S-T-E-M-S H-E-L-P A P-L-A-Y-E-R P-O-C-K-E-T B-A-L-L-S


It's never been guaranteed that any aiming system will catapult a player into the upper echelon. Simple common sense dictates that there is obviously more to being great at pool than just making balls. However, common sense, it seems; is a skill-set you are clearly lacking.
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Oh, I'm lacking common sense now, but you fall in line with the folks making ridiculous claims? Ooookay.

We all know there's more than just pocketing balls. The trick is, that's just about the biggest part of the game.

Tell me.. how long have you had an aiming system? Don't you play apa or something? Surely somebody here can provide something of substance.
 
cfrandy said:

In 1995 pro's were asked, "What is your secret to aiming"

Steve Mizerak - "Pocketing balls is an instinctive skill that is learned from trial and error. It can't be mastered from playing once a week. Instead of hitting twenty balls to learn a shot, I hit two hundred balls. I haven't found an easier way yet!"

Loree Jon Jones - "Aiming comes naturally for me, where I've always just known where to hit. It's very difficult for me to teach people to aim because of this!"

Mike Massey - "I've tried a lot of systems but mostly you have to play from feel. You have to practice all types of feel, practice all type of hits."

Earl Strickland - "I've played so much that I don't have to think about it. But I also spin the balls in, as I think many of the pros do; they're using so much english all the time. Pros spin the ball in the hole and that's mostly from feel. If you're really going to learn to aim, you have to know better how to spin the ball, and what effect that's having on the object ball."

Nikki Benish - "This is how I learned, but I doubt if I use it anymore because when you're a professional every shot you see you've seen and shot at least a hundred times before. On the toughest shots I was taught to try to pick out a spot on the object ball, combined with the imaginary cue ball method."

Jim Rempe - "I aim directly at the contact point. I also use the ghost ball theory, but it's more repetitious in your mind when you play a lot. In other words, I don't really visualize the ball anymore, it's automatic."

Efren Reyes - "When you put a lot of english on the cue ball you adjust a little bit, often aiming exactly at the contact point of an object ball. So it very much depends on my next shot how I will aim."

C.J. Wiley offers that you must aim before you get down on the ball by lining up correctly, of course, but adds that as far as his aiming method itself,
"There are certain things you don't tell. Last time I wrote anything about aiming, somebody copied it and started selling it."

Bottom line: everyone does it differently and there is only one thing they have in common...they spend a lot of time practicing shots and less time trying to convince people their way is the only way!
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In that article Efren said he uses centers and edges.
 
cookie man said:
Nobody says HAMB is weak. You can work on all parts of the game while using HAMB. It will just be more exact because of the success of actually making the ball as opposed to just bouncing it off the rail.
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You say here that it's like bouncing balls off the rail. To suggest that you're not saying it's weak, while stating that it's weak in the same paragraph, is pretty weak.
 
Banks said:
You say here that it's like bouncing balls off the rail. To suggest that you're not saying it's weak, while stating that it's weak in the same paragraph, is pretty weak.
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No, I said, you bounce more balls off the rail than I do.
 
cookie man said:
In that article Efren said he uses centers and edges.
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NOT TRUE! No where in the article does Efren say that! He said exactly what I quoted...nothing more and nothing less!
Pro player Nesli O'Hare does say "The technique I use was taught to me by Efren Reyes.According to Efren, there are three kinds of hits on any object ball. First, there's looking at the center of cue ball to the point of aim if the shot is a full ball hit. If not, you can divide the object ball into four quarters, sighting your cue ball edge to the point of aim. When using inside English with a medium-to-hard stroke, you don't change the point of aim. With outside english, you aim a sixteenth of an inch fuller on the object ball than you normally would. But, all bets are off when using a soft stroke, because of deflection, etc." Nesli said this, not Efren!
 
CJ Wiley said:
That may be the biggest understatement in:groucho: this thread.

"HAMB" - hitting a million balls to learn pool is like hitting a million keys to learn to play the piano.

Not a good analogy, since on pianopractising.com the author recommends to his students: "Practise as much as you can but fully concentrated; this is the secret. The amount of hours is trivial." and goes on to say that 3 hours a day is fine for most. I'm no mathematician, but I think in 3 hours a day you could probably hit the keys (88) about 64,000 times...in which case it would take you less than 16 days of practice to hit the keys 1 million times!
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cfrandy said:
NOT TRUE! No where in the article does Efren say that! He said exactly what I quoted...nothing more and nothing less!
Pro player Nesli O'Hare does say "The technique I use was taught to me by Efren Reyes.According to Efren, there are three kinds of hits on any object ball. First, there's looking at the center of cue ball to the point of aim if the shot is a full ball hit. If not, you can divide the object ball into four quarters, sighting your cue ball edge to the point of aim. When using inside English with a medium-to-hard stroke, you don't change the point of aim. With outside english, you aim a sixteenth of an inch fuller on the object ball than you normally would. But, all bets are off when using a soft stroke, because of deflection, etc." Nesli said this, not Efren!
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I had it wrong, it was his student that he taught to use centers and edges.
 
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