Joint material

MBnow

MBnow

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Ok, i just posted this question in the gallery then i find this room !! Doh!

Would be interested to know the joint material here. Ivory ? Phenolic?
And what's up with the black ring on top of joint?

Also maybe someone could confirm thread type for me before i order a predator shaft.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/mbnow/DSC00106.jpg

Much appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt B.
 
MBnow said:
Ok, i just posted this question in the gallery then i find this room !! Doh!

Would be interested to know the joint material here. Ivory ? Phenolic?
And what's up with the black ring on top of joint?

Also maybe someone could confirm thread type for me before i order a predator shaft.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/mbnow/DSC00106.jpg

Much appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt B.
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I can't tell from the picture if it's ivory or another substance. Not enough clarity to see the grain structure. That black ring on the end of the joint is different and I would add is a bad idea. The cue may have an ivory joint and the ring was installed to protect the ivory from chipping easily but a ring that narrow on the end of a shaft or joint has little glue area and is much more likely to come loose than a thicker one. The pin is a Radial pin and looks like a Chinese Radial but I just looked at your other posting and you state that this is an AE cue and I don't believe they would use a Chinese radial under any circumstance.

Dick
 
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MBnow said:
Ok, i just posted this question in the gallery then i find this room !! Doh!

Would be interested to know the joint material here. Ivory ? Phenolic?
And what's up with the black ring on top of joint?

Also maybe someone could confirm thread type for me before i order a predator shaft.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/mbnow/DSC00106.jpg

Much appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt B.
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And what's up with the black ring on top of joint?

i'd say it's not "on top" of the white
i've done a few joints like that myself
the black phenolic is turned to go partially inside the white , kind of like a spool then cut in half
same on the other pc and they meet in the middle inside the white whatever it is
then you don't have to worry about such a small glueing surface
it won't go anywhere if is done as i think it might be
a little trick dennis dieckman showed me my first trip there​
 
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thanks for the input guys.

I will say, when i hold the joint up at an angle in the sunlight there is almost a grain to it. Inlays on cue have same thing. Camera can't ( i've tried) pick it up.

Matt B.
 
> I kind of agree with Brent here,that looks like it was made as an ivory sleeve over black phenolic,similar to the way Tony at Black Boar sleeves some of his ivory joints over a stainless core. I'm guessing that this is to take the possibility of the ivory cracking out of the equation,making it more of an "aesthetic" feature,since in this case,the black phenolic,or the stainless in Tony's version,is the surface that takes most of the impact. I can't imagine phenolic being compressed enough to crack the ivory from inside,and you sure as hell can't compress stainless that much,LOL. Maybe it suits what they were trying to accomplish with that style joint or maybe it was specifically ordered that way,but they have to think that it still looks kind of goofy that way,I sure do. I have an idea for a piloted joint that is kind of backwards from this idea,but you can't see what is different about it until you inside the pilot. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> I kind of agree with Brent here,that looks like it was made as an ivory sleeve over black phenolic,similar to the way Tony at Black Boar sleeves some of his ivory joints over a stainless core. I'm guessing that this is to take the possibility of the ivory cracking out of the equation,making it more of an "aesthetic" feature,since in this case,the black phenolic,or the stainless in Tony's version,is the surface that takes most of the impact. I can't imagine phenolic being compressed enough to crack the ivory from inside,and you sure as hell can't compress stainless that much,LOL. Maybe it suits what they were trying to accomplish with that style joint or maybe it was specifically ordered that way,but they have to think that it still looks kind of goofy that way,I sure do. I have an idea for a piloted joint that is kind of backwards from this idea,but you can't see what is different about it until you inside the pilot. Tommy D.
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Yes, I have to agree. I had already wrote out my synopsis before I looked at the other posting and noticed the cue was an AE. Those fellows do great work so I knew then that that was the way they had probably constructed the joint but I didn't feel like rewriting what I had already posted. I have had to repair many shafts though that have just short deco-rings on the end that came loose. Many Meuccis were notorious for that.

Dick
 
Yes, I have to repair alot of the thin rings on shafts also. Have one right now as we speak. I get some butt caps in like that too. Did a thin buttcap last week, only the ring had cracked in half before coming loose. Alot of times the ring just comes loose, either due to the glue used or the low amount of surface area for it to stick to.

On one of My builds that had a bacote sleeve at the joint, I had wrapped It simular to the pic. Only difference maybe was that the sleeve was capped & connected with a ring on front the same way, But I bored another black ring that locked into the sleeve from the bottom of the bacote. I believe this made for a solid joint, and does not compress the weaker inset material as bad as It may without. I don't know for sure, only that It made for a solid joint, and that cue played better then most any I have done so far. No special pin though, just a 5/16-14.

Greg
 
MBnow said:
Ok, i just posted this question in the gallery then i find this room !! Doh!

Would be interested to know the joint material here. Ivory ? Phenolic?
And what's up with the black ring on top of joint?

Also maybe someone could confirm thread type for me before i order a predator shaft.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa299/mbnow/DSC00106.jpg

Much appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt B.
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Matt so would I, however, with out knowing more about this cue and who made it that is not possible. If you know who made it contact the cue maker!
 
I did contact AE cues by email ...no response
Left voicemail on phone # from their website..... no response


I am presuming they are CLosed for period of time possibly vacation? who knows.

And no, i wouldnt post a question here without doing some very basic research myself first.


But thanks anyways to all who have responded, i am learning something new every day.



Matt B
 
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