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Here we go again. No offense but this has been covered here a lot. Various blind tests with joints covered up have shown that almost no one can tell by the hit what kind of joint the cue has. Balance points can vary due to the weight at the joint but hit/feel is a different story. The taper of the shaft, ferrule material and tip have far more effect on how a cue plays/feels.What’s the difference in feel and response when playing with joints made from ..
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Here we go again. No offense but this has been covered here a lot. Various blind tests with joints covered up have shown that almost no one can tell by the hit what kind of joint the cue has. Balance points can vary due to the weight at the joint but hit/feel is a different story. The taper of the shaft, ferrule material and tip have far more effect on how a cue plays/feels.
I found the old test info. In 1991 on the Texas Express Tour they did over 800 blind tests. 70% were unable to tell or guessed wrong as to what joint was in a cue. There was a favorite and when revealed it was two wood-to-wood sneakies. What's funny is that of the 70 testers 55 liked these cues the best and they thought it was a steel joint. Whole thing: its the 6/14/99 post by John McChesney. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.billiard/SgU43CN6aEcI would agree with this after owning and playing with productions and customs of every joint material; I don't think it matters as much as some people claim; unless it is metal against metal like the older dufferin two piece cues, then you just change out the butt or shaft joint.
I found the old test info. In 1991 on the Texas Express Tour they did over 800 blind tests. 70% were unable to tell or guessed wrong as to what joint was in a cue. There was a favorite and when revealed it was two wood-to-wood sneakies. What's funny is that of the 70 testers 55 liked these cues the best and they thought it was a steel joint. Whole thing: its the 6/14/99 post by John McChesney. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.billiard/SgU43CN6aEc
Huh?? What do you mean? The joints on the cues were covered and players were asked what joint was in the cue. 70% failed. Bottom line is you'll be hard pressed to identify a cue's hit/feel by its joint type. I remember first time i hit a SW cue. Stiff as hell and made that "ping" sound. Had i not seen the joint i'd have bet it was steel. I thought that flat-face joints had a softer hit for some reason. Nope.Random guessing would have been better.
Here we go again. No offense but this has been covered here a lot. Various blind tests with joints covered up have shown that almost no one can tell by the hit what kind of joint the cue has. Balance points can vary due to the weight at the joint but hit/feel is a different story. The taper of the shaft, ferrule material and tip have far more effect on how a cue plays/feels.
Feel free to put me on "Ignore" or don't respond at all. Sorry you don't make the rules.If you think your opinion of me means diddly think again. BTW, my "existence" is just fine thank you.Why does this comment not surprise me at all. Bored again today garczar? You're the epitome of what's bad for this forum. You push members away, or at the least attempt to shame them into not wanting to post questions.
How about this....here we go again with the negative, unnecessary snide comments on a question that someone is looking for expertise and/or opinions regarding something.
You would think you're a moderator, when instead you come across as a snide forum troll.
Huh?? What do you mean? The joints on the cues were covered and players were asked what joint was in the cue. 70% failed. Bottom line is you'll be hard pressed to identify a cue's hit/feel by its joint type. I remember first time i hit a SW cue. Stiff as hell and made that "ping" sound. Had i not seen the joint i'd have bet it was steel. I thought that flat-face joints had a softer hit for some reason. Nope.
I hear all the time how big-pin cues hit this way or G10 hits that way etc. If you took,say, 20-25 cues of various joint types and covered the joint area i think few,if any, could tell which was which. Too many other factors such as those listed in McChesney's article(taper, ferrule,wood density, tip) have more sway on how a cue hits/feels.I am in agreement. There were 3 joints and 3 choices. 33% of the guesses would have been correct with random guessing and 67% would have been wrong. 800 guesses may not have been large enough for significance, but there wasn't even a trend toward being able to identify the joint composition.
I hear all the time how big-pin cues hit this way or G10 hits that way etc. If you took,say, 20-25 cues of various joint types and covered the joint area i think few,if any, could tell which was which. Too many other factors such as those listed in McChesney's article(taper, ferrule,wood density, tip) have more sway on how a cue hits/feels.
Exactly. Agree 100%. Pool is full of, for lack of a better term, "old wives tales". When told enough they kinda become "poolisms". I knew a guy years ago that would have bet his house that you could draw your ball better with a flat-face joint. Where he got that or what he based it on was most likely just another "poolism"....and wood joints are soft and steel joints hit hard. Pool player lore.
I hear ya. IMO the tip, ferrule and taper are what really determines the "hit". Ever hit a SW? By far the stiffest, 'pingiest' hitting cue i've ever hit and its a flat-face joint.I have owned well over 75 cues by just about every cue maker out there over that last 35 years and while I don't really think I could tell the difference if I didn't know what pin was in a cue. I do know I have some sort of mental block/bias against Radial, Uni-Loc, and flat face 5/16-18. I have never kept a cue with one of those joint types for more than a few weeks.
I tend to think 5/16-14 steel jointed cues produce a stiffer hit than 3/8-10 flat face cues. But I also feel so much of how a cue feels is related to the hardness of the tip on the cue.
Thanks
-don