Juma ferrule material
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Hi fellows,
like stated, it comes from the same source like Elforyn. It is one of our products that we had introduced at the VF cue show 2007. It is now available through Atlas as 2 feet ferrule rods. I will be at the BCA trade show this year at the Atlas booth. There we will show all the materials in all forms of their usabilty. From Elforyn to Juma and to APF (our All in one Ferrule material). If you have any questions you can meet me there.
Best regards,
Markus
like stated, it comes from the same source like Elforyn. It is one of our products that we had introduced at the VF cue show 2007. It is now available through Atlas as 2 feet ferrule rods. I will be at the BCA trade show this year at the Atlas booth. There we will show all the materials in all forms of their usabilty. From Elforyn to Juma and to APF (our All in one Ferrule material). If you have any questions you can meet me there.
Best regards,
Markus
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dave sutton
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can you describe the material and kinda give an example of what it resembles. Does it hold chalk. I wasn't too fond of elforyn. Seems too soft
Hi,
well I don't know what you mean by Elforyn is too soft. Technically it has the same density and hardness (Shore scale) like real ivory..anyway. JUMA is an ivory-white material without any linen etc. The hardness is almost equal to Elforyn. It does not hold chalk or gets stain marks from breaking etc. It polishes perfectly (easy) and machines as well. Easy said for me, since we are selling it. Best to try out yourself. Call Atlas and ask for John Petti or Dave and they will surely send you a sample.
Regards,
Markus
well I don't know what you mean by Elforyn is too soft. Technically it has the same density and hardness (Shore scale) like real ivory..anyway. JUMA is an ivory-white material without any linen etc. The hardness is almost equal to Elforyn. It does not hold chalk or gets stain marks from breaking etc. It polishes perfectly (easy) and machines as well. Easy said for me, since we are selling it. Best to try out yourself. Call Atlas and ask for John Petti or Dave and they will surely send you a sample.
Regards,
Markus
dave sutton said:
Do not confuse the machining propeties with the playability properties. Like ivory, Elforyn machines softer than it plays. Many people get that in their head and assume it is playing softer than it really is. I bet if someone did a blind test, the results would be much different.
McChen,
APF (Atomic Power Ferrule) is a linen based material that when used as an all-in-one ferrule gives you the same powerfull hit and easy jumping like with phenolic BUT it holds chalk, it enables you to play english -So you actually can controll the the cue ball of the break or jump !!
And most important it does not wear out like phenolic. What I mean by that is: Check a phenolic ferrule that is in use for some weeks. At the edges of the tip shape you will certainly find very small cracks. These cracks often lead to to the result that the whole ferrule will crack completely and most likely the shaft will crack as well.
here is a picture on how it looks like
It is only available in brown color.
Regards,
Markus
APF (Atomic Power Ferrule) is a linen based material that when used as an all-in-one ferrule gives you the same powerfull hit and easy jumping like with phenolic BUT it holds chalk, it enables you to play english -So you actually can controll the the cue ball of the break or jump !!
And most important it does not wear out like phenolic. What I mean by that is: Check a phenolic ferrule that is in use for some weeks. At the edges of the tip shape you will certainly find very small cracks. These cracks often lead to to the result that the whole ferrule will crack completely and most likely the shaft will crack as well.
here is a picture on how it looks like
It is only available in brown color.
Regards,
Markus
dave sutton
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ratcues said:
yes you hit the nail right on the head. i did a few ferrules with it and i didnt like the way it machined at all. felt like i was cutting a tip. ivory doesnt feel like that at all.
so i guess my question is if it feels that soft compaired to ivory how can it possibly react like ivory during impact. i mean if you saw a brick in half and you saw a sponge in half obv there is a difference and if you throw a brick then a sponge at someone you can see the same differences.
how does this change with this material. not being a smartass just asking a question
iv4 machines hard and also plays hard
dave sutton
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Can't I purchased some from atlas and did 2 ferrules with it and gave the rest of it away. didnt care for the hit, looks, or the way it machinedi210mfu said:
Always looking for the next best thing this just wasnt it.
Playing properties of a ferrule have to do with the molecular structure and how it is bonded. Cutting a ferrule on a lathe and hitting a ball are two totally different processes that give different reactions. Ivory machines much softer than most of the melamine family of materials but due to its makeup, it plays hard.
This is like a player picking up a cue and tapping the joint to test the flex of a cue and deciding, without hitting a ball, that he does like like the "feel." You don't take a bat and pocket a few balls to test how well it will hit a baseball.
This is like a player picking up a cue and tapping the joint to test the flex of a cue and deciding, without hitting a ball, that he does like like the "feel." You don't take a bat and pocket a few balls to test how well it will hit a baseball.
dave sutton
Banned
dave sutton said:
I love to quote myself
I have a sample of Juma coming so I'll give a report as to the material & how it machines. As for Atlas...Eric there told me they have a "new style" Aegis rod that is made differently....he said its very nice & clean. He was so hopped up on it I ordered some as well. I'll let you know what I think of it too. The last Aegis I purchased was so full of thrash I only use it for house cue replacements.
dave sutton
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Varney Cues said:
thats the same thing they did with elforyn. dave talked so good about it like it was the best ferrule material ever discovered. after about 3 times of him asking i just got some so he didnt ask again. i dont know if they really know or are just pushing a new product. i choose B
Hi there,
neither JUMA or ELFORYN are new. We are using it since the end of 2006. Carvers and knife makers, scrim shaw artists are using a shlightly different Elforyn (different grain structure) even longer then that. Before we started distributing it, we thouroughly tested the materials, like we always do. So the product isn't new. New is, that all the products are now available through Atlas (Since October 2007).
I will be at the BCA trade show and will bring along samples etc. of all products we developed. Also cues of course (with Elforyn etc.) to show the use of it. If you have any questions about the materials or the machining etc. meet me at the Atlas booth and I will be happy to answer you. Being custom cue makers since 1994 we are confident, that we know what we are talking about.
Markus
neither JUMA or ELFORYN are new. We are using it since the end of 2006. Carvers and knife makers, scrim shaw artists are using a shlightly different Elforyn (different grain structure) even longer then that. Before we started distributing it, we thouroughly tested the materials, like we always do. So the product isn't new. New is, that all the products are now available through Atlas (Since October 2007).
I will be at the BCA trade show and will bring along samples etc. of all products we developed. Also cues of course (with Elforyn etc.) to show the use of it. If you have any questions about the materials or the machining etc. meet me at the Atlas booth and I will be happy to answer you. Being custom cue makers since 1994 we are confident, that we know what we are talking about.
Markus