Jumbo frame out of square

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I have an Alexandria 1911, 1 1 /2" slate, 5 x 10, 6 leg table it was moved and I noticed the frame is out of square.On the right front corner leg #2 the bolts have pulled out and there is a 3/16" gap between the frame and the leg.The two cross braces you can slip out and remove easily.
On the other corner same side the wooden dowel pins pulled out a 1/16 of an inch but the cross braces you can't remove. I put a level on the frame corners and it definitely out of square.
I doubt this is correct how much of a job is it to fix this.The table won't be assembled for 2-3 weeks.
I am not a tech but do know when Brunswick made the frame they say it is rigid and true in there catalog.

Need help.Thanks Gary
 
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I don't think you can actually "square up" a pool table by using the level.
A level only tells if a table is level. A square will get you close to square.
Measure each corner to opposite corner. Same dimensions will be square.

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Also the 2 cross braces don't have the 4 stretcher bolts in them. I don't think the're really necessary,but I would like to have them if possible. The original leg bolts are 1/2 diameter and square heads. Does anybody now the thread pitch by chance? I know back then Brunswick used some oddball thread pitch bolts. Thanks

P.s. with the right tools it was pretty easy to close the gaps. When I get the cross brace bolts in I'll be happy. Probably too anal,but if Brunswick designed and manufactured the table that way...I just want it right...anyway.

I just talked to a restorer that specialises in Alexandria tables and I have the second version which has 2 leg bolts and 2 dowels. The stretcher bolts are 1/2" x 6" 13 SAE thread.He also said the stretcher bolts have to be in before the side leg panels can be tightened. I'm off to the fastener store.

Ok I'm going to have my woodcraft guy strengthen all the internal braces since they have some cracks. Then I can finish the table.
 
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hey slick- maybe it's the 5/8-11 I was thinking of.
Your the pro.



Rob.M
 
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dontlitethat said:
Yeah, the old-old Brunswick used the same 1/2-13 NPT screw pitch we still use today.


Rob.M
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Rob, Please edit your info. I don't believe there's any tapered pipe thread on these table. Even if, it would be 1/2-14npt

BTW I've seen bastard thread pitches on these old tables. 1/2 -13 I can't argue for or against what they used at the time.

T-Rail bolts are usually (possibly all ) not today's standard pitch for example.
 
The level of the frame absolutely has an effect on the square of the frame. If most of the weight of the frame is on 2 opposing corner legs' then the frame will be longer if measured diagonally at those 2 corners than the opposite 2 corners indicating an out of square frame, so the first thing you have to do is level the frame in order to get it as close to square as you can. And no' those frame bolts, like the rail bolts are a Brunswick thread and don't match up to any modern bolt threads today.
 
realkingcobra said:
The level of the frame absolutely has an effect on the square of the frame. If most of the weight of the frame is on 2 opposing corner legs' then the frame will be longer if measured diagonally at those 2 corners than the opposite 2 corners indicating an out of square frame, so the first thing you have to do is level the frame in order to get it as close to square as you can. And no' those frame bolts, like the rail bolts are a Brunswick thread and don't match up to any modern bolt threads today.
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Ok RKC, This Alexandria table is a 2nd generation and 1/2x6x13SAE bolts are correct. To do this table correctly is should be entirely broken down when moved and then be reassembled. Every piece on this table is numbered down to the rails. These tables were hand built by one craftsman and each man had his own station. The pieces came from each department and the finish craftsman fit and assembled every piece. Only one man completed each table.
All six legs need to carry the load of this 3 piece pinned slate assembly. The assembly when assembled correctly should have a real close fit tolerance to the thousanths. When setup correctly theoretically the states should be perfectly level and only beeswax should ever be used on the slate of these Brunswick Jumbo antique tables. To do other wise is a short cut.

RogerD aka Fast996
 
Fast996 said:
Ok RKC, This Alexandria table is a 2nd generation and 1/2x6x13SAE bolts are correct. To do this table correctly is should be entirely broken down when moved and then be reassembled. Every piece on this table is numbered down to the rails. These tables were hand built by one craftsman and each man had his own station. The pieces came from each department and the finish craftsman fit and assembled every piece. Only one man completed each table.
All six legs need to carry the load of this 3 piece pinned slate assembly. The assembly when assembled correctly should have a real close fit tolerance to the thousanths. When setup correctly theoretically the states should be perfectly level and only beeswax should ever be used on the slate of these Brunswick Jumbo antique tables. To do other wise is a short cut.

RogerD aka Fast996
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What about the floor being level? That is the problem with those tables...no adjustable legs levelers....so what's your plans on that?
 
Fast996 said:
Ok RKC, This Alexandria table is a 2nd generation and 1/2x6x13SAE bolts are correct. To do this table correctly is should be entirely broken down when moved and then be reassembled. Every piece on this table is numbered down to the rails. These tables were hand built by one craftsman and each man had his own station. The pieces came from each department and the finish craftsman fit and assembled every piece. Only one man completed each table.
All six legs need to carry the load of this 3 piece pinned slate assembly. The assembly when assembled correctly should have a real close fit tolerance to the thousanths. When setup correctly theoretically the states should be perfectly level and only beeswax should ever be used on the slate of these Brunswick Jumbo antique tables. To do other wise is a short cut.

RogerD aka Fast996
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Theoretically....and reality are two different things, as they seldom ever match up together. Wood changes, it expands and contracts, frames change over time depending on how they were set up before. Theoretically may work out one time out of 10,000 times, but never in the case of antique pool tables....that's my 33 years of reality-based knowledge :thumbup:
 
realkingcobra said:
Theoretically....and reality are two different things, as they seldom ever match up together. Wood changes, it expands and contracts, frames change over time depending on how they were set up before. Theoretically may work out one time out of 10,000 times, but never in the case of antique pool tables....that's my 33 years of reality-based knowledge :thumbup:
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Call Bob @ Rebco.....:D:D
 
Well been fixing all the things that I can on this frame, tender loving care. Painted the inside frame body with Olympic Jatoba stain a perfect match. Glued in loose pin blocks and some loose veneer altogether I am happy.
I even fixed the frame issues, it's nice & tight. Glued the stretcher supports and vertical ones that were cracked.

This table isn't a restored table as I can't afford it I wan't a nice shooting table I can afford that. Luckily most all the veneer is intact other than a couple blocks. Two of the legs have partial designs on the bottom. Wish I could get the matching veneer strip to fix that. A previous owner put a clear varnish over the whole outside wood SHUCKS. Can't do anything about that nor do I want to.

When we get the table together I'll be loving it.:D

Here is an image after clean up . Brunswick Alexandria in the flesh.

Cheers.

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Table frame assembled cleaned and painted.

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