Jump break handle in the pocket?

m79a

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Ok I've never seen this happen but it could. What would be the ruling if a guy goes to jump and stick his handle form his 3 piece cue in the pocket and a ball hits it? I've watched numerous people do this hell I did it myself yesterday. Somebody asked what would the ruling be?
 
Ok I've never seen this happen but it could. What would be the ruling if a guy goes to jump and stick his handle form his 3 piece cue in the pocket and a ball hits it? I've watched numerous people do this hell I did it myself yesterday. Somebody asked what would the ruling be?

Pretty sure it would be the same idea if a ball jumps off the table and hits a piece of chalk before it comes back down on the table. A foul because its not part of the table.
 
Pretty sure it would be the same idea if a ball jumps off the table and hits a piece of chalk before it comes back down on the table. A foul because its not part of the table.

What would you do with the numbered ball if it came in contact with the handle? Spot it? Put it down?
 
What would you do with the numbered ball if it came in contact with the handle? Spot it? Put it down?

Pretty sure it stays where it lands. Same if the ball rolled along the rail, hits the chalk, then falls back on to the table.

Personally, if the ball was going to go in the pocket, and the handle just held it up.....if I were the opponent, I'd just tell him to put the ball down and keep shooting. Mistakes happen. Even if gambling, small mistakes to me aren't worth getting technical on. But that's just my opinion.
 
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I don't get this. I just put the end piece in my right front pocket, or back pocket, and it doesn't get in the way at all. I shoot the shot and put the piece back on right after. If it got in the way in my pocket I would just set it on the ground or by my case. Always strange to me when people put it in the pocket, or worse right on the table. Just asking for trouble...

Scott
 
I thought the height of laziness had peaked at it being too much work to use a turn signal...
 
I thought the height of laziness had peaked at it being too much work to use a turn signal...

Ever lost the remote to the t.v. and have no interest in whats on, but you watch it anyway just because you're too lazy to get up and look for it? :P
 
Ever lost the remote to the t.v. and have no interest in whats on, but you watch it anyway just because you're too lazy to get up and look for it? :P

No way. I misplace (never lose) my remote , everything stops til it is found. I've got up and taken mine to the bathroom before. Left... I should say put it in the refridgerator once. I need a holster.
 
Ok I've never seen this happen but it could. What would be the ruling if a guy goes to jump and stick his handle form his 3 piece cue in the pocket and a ball hits it? I've watched numerous people do this hell I did it myself yesterday. Somebody asked what would the ruling be?

The specific instance is addressed by BCAPL Rule 1-3-1 and BCAPL Applied Ruling 1-3 Situation 3. It is a foul if a ball strikes the butt while it is in the pocket. The foul is on the player that left the butt.

Rule 1-3-1 clearly puts the responsibility for equipment at the table on the owner/user. There is only exception is a player's personal chalk which, if left on the rail, is considered a hazard for both players equally regardless of ownership. CB/OB goes on rail and hits chalk it is a foul regardless of who shot or whose chalk it is.

For the butt, there is no definitive ruling for the situation in WSR. Will research a little more and edit later concerning WSR.

There was a previous thread akin to this subject concernning the Magic Ball Rack. I will get an answer from the BCAPL national office soon concerning the MBR and have an answer for you (certainly before July) and probably will have good intel on a ruling for Tunica before U10BC starts (WSR, not BCAPL). Will pass on whatever I find out.:smile:

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This is a stupidly avoidable situation but...

I would expect it falls under the category of Touched Ball under WPA...

6.6 Touched Ball

It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of any object ball except by the normal ball-to-ball contacts during shots. It is a foul to touch, move or change the path of the cue ball except when it is in hand or by the normal tip-to-ball forward stroke contact of a shot. The shooter is responsible for the equipment he controls at the table, such as chalk, bridges, clothing, his hair, parts of his body, and the cue ball when it is in hand, that may be involved in such fouls. If such a foul is accidental, it is a standard foul, but if it is intentional, it is 6.16 Unsportsmanlike Conduct.
 
I thought the height of laziness had peaked at it being too much work to use a turn signal...

LMAO.....and my feelings exactly!!! :thumbup:

These same persons that are lazy enough to feel they have to put the j/b handle in the pocket are probably some of the same people that think a loaded 4 x 8 case is too heavy to carry :rolleyes:!!!

Maniac
 
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