another post got me going about all the different cues that are available on the market today for different shots and i just wanted to get everyones thought on the subject. i understand the break cue in addition to a playing cue, but now there are jump cues and even masse cues too! are we heading in the direction of golf where we will have a different cue for every different shot?? in my opinion its already out of control and you should only be allowed to use your shooting cue and a break cue. if you cant jump or masse with one of those,,, then dont do it! as long as the rules permit all these different cues the players will take advantage,, not that i blame them. so what do you think?
Jump cue, break cue, masse cue,, out of control!
- Thread starter Tony Longoni
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Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter which cue I use. It's often a miss (the shot) cue.
Doesn't matter which cue I use. It's often a miss (the shot) cue.
I don't see a problem with someone having a cue for each seperate thing. Breaking, playing and jumping. I have never seen a masse cue but do not see a problem with them either. I am guessing they are mostly used in trick shot competitions and stuff like that. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a professional play and huge masse in competition? I have a jump cue and use it every now and then. I understand almost all of what you are saying in your post - i just think differently. The only part I don't understand is comparing pool to golf. Should you only have a driver and a putter? I just don't see the parrallel By the way - I checked out your web-site and you all have some really nice cues. Keep up the good work.Tony Longoni said:
BVal
i don't see any issues with having seperate cues for different shots like break, shooting, masse and jumps either. i know i wouldn't want to use my 314-2 shaft on my predator cue with its hollow front it for a think masse where it would end up probably breaking off the tip of the shaft. though if it gets to where your using a different cue for strait shots or bank shots or cut shots, that might be alittle much. as far as the difference in the masse cue, they generally tend to be around the same legnth as a jump cue for easier handling but around 25 oz instead of 7-8 oz with a thick sturdy taper.
bval- first thank alot for the compliment, i really appreciate it. as far as the comparison to golf, that sport dictates a different club for different shots- and you need it because of the varying distances and so forth. for pool though i dont think you should need different cues to make shots easier. the masse' cues are new and i dont think they will last long, but jump cues are here to stay. it wasnt that long ago that men on the pro tour were not allowed to use jump cues, they jumped with their full length break cue when it was needed. i guess what im trying to say is this- you need different clubs in golf cause you cant hit your putter 300 yards, its impossible, however you can jump or masse with a playing cue, a special cue for it just makes it EASIER. JMO
I see what you are saying. I just don't see a problem with it. Not everybody that owns a jump cue can use it. To those that do own one but can't make a jump shot (actually pocket the ball) than what advantage do they really have. Ya know.Tony Longoni said:
BVal
IMO jump and masse cues are just more tools, just as cue extenders, bridges, and even things such as leather tips and chalk are! Tell ya what, you play with a mace (the original tool of billiards) and I'll play with all my newfangle tools, and spot you the 8, eh?
Personally, I don't care how many cues they have....sometimes it does get a little out of hand.....using your golf example, a guy with 4 playing cues reminds me of Rodney Dangerfields golf bag in Caddy Shack
I like having a J/B so I don't punish my playing cue on certain shots....
I guess the golf thing might be closer to the 4 wedge question.....why carry 4 wedges when old-schoolers only had 2 for years - a PW and a SW.....and they could hit a ton of great shots....now people don't carry long irons anymore, they use those hybrid clubs.....while I enjoy and use 4 wedges, I still play with blades 3-PW and hybrids make me sick....ultimately, it's all preference....
So, back to topic.....I don't really care....they could use 12 cues, as long as I come out on top, I'm happy
I like having a J/B so I don't punish my playing cue on certain shots....
I guess the golf thing might be closer to the 4 wedge question.....why carry 4 wedges when old-schoolers only had 2 for years - a PW and a SW.....and they could hit a ton of great shots....now people don't carry long irons anymore, they use those hybrid clubs.....while I enjoy and use 4 wedges, I still play with blades 3-PW and hybrids make me sick....ultimately, it's all preference....
So, back to topic.....I don't really care....they could use 12 cues, as long as I come out on top, I'm happy
bval, i understand your point and your right, if they cant do it, then they have no advantage. i guess what bothers me more is the guys who cant come close to jumping a ball with regular cue but jump like its their job with a jump cue. they used to have something years ago called a jump rod, it was about 16 inches long and seemed like it weighed a ton, but anybody could just drop it on a ball and it would jump straight up. they made rules to stop people from using them back then. im probably the minority here i know, i guess its good for tv and entertainment thats why they keep letting players use them now
Masse cues are not new...
Masse cues have been arounding for a long time. Be glad you didn't pick photography as your hobby....there is a different camera, lens and tool for every photo imaginable!
Personally, I like to keep it simple though at tourneys. I really don't want to bring 4 cues to the table....might be a good intimidation tactic though...or it could make you look like an idiot.
Masse cues have been arounding for a long time. Be glad you didn't pick photography as your hobby....there is a different camera, lens and tool for every photo imaginable!
Personally, I like to keep it simple though at tourneys. I really don't want to bring 4 cues to the table....might be a good intimidation tactic though...or it could make you look like an idiot.
I hung up my jumper after not using it for like 3 years. I jump with my player if needed, but after playing a ton of 1P my kicking game is WAY better than jumping.
I used to golf with a friend of mine, and as kids we only had 1 set of clubs, the course made everyone have a set, so one of us took the even clubs and a 3 wood, sand wedge, the other guy got the odds, driver, PW. Not realizing it, but we learned to play shots you never would if you had a full set. We both made the high school golf team the first try out. To this day I will take too much club, choke down, and knock the ball down and spin the hell out of it. Something some guys never learn, but we had to cause we had the short set.....
Gerry
I used to golf with a friend of mine, and as kids we only had 1 set of clubs, the course made everyone have a set, so one of us took the even clubs and a 3 wood, sand wedge, the other guy got the odds, driver, PW. Not realizing it, but we learned to play shots you never would if you had a full set. We both made the high school golf team the first try out. To this day I will take too much club, choke down, and knock the ball down and spin the hell out of it. Something some guys never learn, but we had to cause we had the short set.....
Gerry
imo this reliance on equipment is ridiculous, and in the realm of cue sports, primarily an American phenomenon
and then ya'll wonder why Americans no longer dominate
and then ya'll wonder why Americans no longer dominate
steev said:Most times these days, I walk in with a sneaky in a 1x1 case.
-s
//still can't get a game most of the time
Then why don't you carry in 4 flashy cues, use the old open bridge with the thumb straight up, a funky stance, an expensive fake watch, and a silk shirt
Maybe that will help
As an APA 6/7 and not near as good as many on this board, typically the best guys, at least where I play, carry a sneaky, a small case, keep a low profile, and carry plenty o cash.....I avoid a guy with a sneaky every time, but the overdressed guy with the fancy cue, he ain't so scary
Masse Cue was patent 1891 by J.P. Mannock see website. http://www.cuesnviews.co.uk/andyhunter/ahuntermannock.htm
There only a few Masse Cuemaker today: Schuler, Crown Cues, and yes Dieckman just to mention a few. Without the various cues where would Artistic Pool or Artistique Billiard be today?
Most Billiard players [3 Cushion, Balkline, Straight Rail, and Korean 4 ball] still use one cue. Jump cue is the new kid on the block. I would be looking at all the new bridge devices that are on the market and do we need them?
There only a few Masse Cuemaker today: Schuler, Crown Cues, and yes Dieckman just to mention a few. Without the various cues where would Artistic Pool or Artistique Billiard be today?
Most Billiard players [3 Cushion, Balkline, Straight Rail, and Korean 4 ball] still use one cue. Jump cue is the new kid on the block. I would be looking at all the new bridge devices that are on the market and do we need them?
thanks for the info there billiardshot, i had no idea they were that old. i just starting hearing about them recently. i really am a purist, i didnt even own a break cue until a few years ago. i had my playing cue and i would break with a house cue just so i didnt mushroom my playing tip. i honestly dont know much about all the bridges that are out today, but im sure there are plenty! am i the only person who remembers these crazy jump rods?
Say, Tony Longoni, are you affiliated with Longoni Inc.?
As far as your first question is concerned, I am considered into buying a Massé cue if I even start into tourey. Jump cues are cool and everything, but I perfer a better challenge into hopping the white and sticking with a regular cue.
As far as your first question is concerned, I am considered into buying a Massé cue if I even start into tourey. Jump cues are cool and everything, but I perfer a better challenge into hopping the white and sticking with a regular cue.
slickrick- i am the united states authorized dealer for longoni.
Tony Longoni, I know longoni make a masse shaft for their cue [carom]. I remember seeing those metal jump rod at an US 9 Ball Open in middle '90. I believe Sammy Jones and a few other Pro were testing it. Also Earl Stickland once believe [and may still] only your regular cue should be use for jumping.
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