I've been watching Efren and so others of the greats and most of them ive noticed have a break where the cue ball upon contact with the break that jumps up then sits in the center of the table. I was wonder how they do this I've tried several things but i cant seem to figure out how to accomplish this feat. How do you get the cue ball to jump up on the break?
Jump on the break
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Its from having a slight inclination to the cue on contact with the CB.....when you see guys at the bar jumping off the table their cue is jacked up in the back, basically creating a jump shot.
The pros that produce that stroke maybe have a 5 degree inclination its very slight.
line up through the first diamond on the short rail to the 1 ball, put the CB on the kitchen line and then your bridge hand 1 diamond back from it,
now with a level cue find center of the CB.......now raise the bottom of the tip to the top of the CB while keeping a level cue.....then dip the tip back to the visual center and hit it square and firm
thats one way to accomplish what your looking for...without having to use english and such since your still aiming at the visual center you only have a slight incline to your stroke.
works like a charm for what your talking about, I use that break most often on the BB....its consistent and works well.
hope that helps,
-Grey Ghost-
The pros that produce that stroke maybe have a 5 degree inclination its very slight.
line up through the first diamond on the short rail to the 1 ball, put the CB on the kitchen line and then your bridge hand 1 diamond back from it,
now with a level cue find center of the CB.......now raise the bottom of the tip to the top of the CB while keeping a level cue.....then dip the tip back to the visual center and hit it square and firm
thats one way to accomplish what your looking for...without having to use english and such since your still aiming at the visual center you only have a slight incline to your stroke.
works like a charm for what your talking about, I use that break most often on the BB....its consistent and works well.
hope that helps,
-Grey Ghost-
Forgive my ignorance here, but why would you want the cue ball to jump up on the break? Since your cue isn't going to be 100% level if you hit hard enough with a hard enough tip it's going to jump a bit. In my mind the jump is a side effect of a powerful break, one that can leave the cue ball rolling across the floor with any kind of off-center hit. In fact, you probably already jump the ball a bit on the break. I don't see why jumping the cue up would be a goal.
My goal for breaking is a nice spread, 1 or more pocketd balls, cue in the middle of the table, and a shot to get started.
My goal for breaking is a nice spread, 1 or more pocketd balls, cue in the middle of the table, and a shot to get started.
well the reason i would like to learn how to get the hop on the break the cue ball does when the pros break is because if you watch them when this happens typically the cue ball stays relatively center table usually allowing for a good shot on the one and an easy run-out since the cue ball is not in some inconvenient location like on the rail.
ps. thanks Grey Ghost that should help allot i just couldn't seem to get the right angle on the cue to get that hop
ps. thanks Grey Ghost that should help allot i just couldn't seem to get the right angle on the cue to get that hop
You do not want the hop. Just learn to break only hard enough to get the CB to stay in the middle...about 1/2 to 3/4 speed will do it. Just because you see some pro do something doesn't mean that you should be trying to imitate it. They have perfect timing and cuestick control...you don't. Practice what will work best.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Your very welcome, I use that break very often with great results. BUT SCOTT LEE IS RIGHT. I figured out that break especially for the bar box and it is very repeatable for ME....I have shown others this break and with pratice it worked well for them too....BUT you must pratice anything you want to learn well...
One thing about that break i explained is that you dont have to kill it, just a good firm stroke does fine.
I've worked on my timing and cue control for years to be able to perform high power breaks, stick to being under control in your break.
Staying within your means untill your ready to bring something to the next level is going to help you perfom better by staying in your means.....when you stress your depth you have that much more chance of faltering.
best wishes,
-Grey Ghost-
I've always wondered about my break and the path it takes towards the rack. I use the same break that Ghost does and I'm noticing burn marks about 6-8 inches before the rack. These are similar burn marks to the ones near my break spot, short lines that run along the path of the break. At first I thought they were from the cue ball popping up in the air and landing in that area but after looking at them closely I realized they were lines and not just dots.
All I can think of is that the cue ball is in the air from where I break from all the way to the 2nd set of burn marks before it hits the rack and then jumps up.
All I can think of is that the cue ball is in the air from where I break from all the way to the 2nd set of burn marks before it hits the rack and then jumps up.
I'm sorry Steve, I guess I'm just a bit slow on understanding exactly what you mean.
You said the 2nd set of burn marks is the "landing zone" of the cue ball after the break? You mean after the cue hits the rack, jumps up, then lands back on the table? Or do you mean the landing zone of my break shot, after I hit the cue ball, but before the cue ball hits the rack?
I initially assumed it was the "jump up" at first, until I examined the marks and realized they weren't landing zone "dot" imprints, they were small 1 inch lines on the same trajectory as the break. I always break on the right side of the middle of the table and all these mini lines are on the right side also. If they were landing spots, they would be on either side of the center line I would think. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that the lines are secondary burn marks from the cue ball, after the break, but before the cue ball hits the rack.
I'm completely guessing here, I suppose they could be linear burn marks after the cue hits the rack and bounces back ... but the cue tends to jump straight up and just land, not shoot back in a linear fashion after hitting the head ball.
Either way, I'm pretty happy with my break, I was just wondering what was actually going on.
You said the 2nd set of burn marks is the "landing zone" of the cue ball after the break? You mean after the cue hits the rack, jumps up, then lands back on the table? Or do you mean the landing zone of my break shot, after I hit the cue ball, but before the cue ball hits the rack?
I initially assumed it was the "jump up" at first, until I examined the marks and realized they weren't landing zone "dot" imprints, they were small 1 inch lines on the same trajectory as the break. I always break on the right side of the middle of the table and all these mini lines are on the right side also. If they were landing spots, they would be on either side of the center line I would think. The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that the lines are secondary burn marks from the cue ball, after the break, but before the cue ball hits the rack.
I'm completely guessing here, I suppose they could be linear burn marks after the cue hits the rack and bounces back ... but the cue tends to jump straight up and just land, not shoot back in a linear fashion after hitting the head ball.
Either way, I'm pretty happy with my break, I was just wondering what was actually going on.
When you break, you cue must be slightly elevated in order to keep the butt above the rail. This means that all break shots are putting a small amount of downward force on the cue ball. Downward force causes the cue ball to lift off the table slightly. (think of how a jump shot works) So as soon as you hit the cue ball on the break, it leaves the table at a high rate of speed. That means it has to come back down on the table while still traveling at a high rate of speed. When it comes back down to the table, usually at a point in front of the rack, it leaves another little mark on the cloth. So you are putting two marks on the cloth every time you break. One at the point where the cue ball is struck initially, and another where it comes back to the table. Both marks will be along the line that the cue ball is traveling. So if you break from the right side, the second mark will usually be somewhere in front of the rack, but also on the right side.
Steve
Steve
cb marks
i just read this about the marks before the rack, my table has been getting them for years, are you sure about the cb landing causing the second set? Ive always thought it was the downward backspin changing to a natural forward roll, and over the years have adjusted my cb breaking spot so the second set of cloth burns are 1-3" away from the head ball to maximize my cb energy, I would love to hear what you instructors think of this. Im not a pro, or instructor but a long time player that pays attention to details.
i just read this about the marks before the rack, my table has been getting them for years, are you sure about the cb landing causing the second set? Ive always thought it was the downward backspin changing to a natural forward roll, and over the years have adjusted my cb breaking spot so the second set of cloth burns are 1-3" away from the head ball to maximize my cb energy, I would love to hear what you instructors think of this. Im not a pro, or instructor but a long time player that pays attention to details.
The cue ball bouncing on it's way to the rack is the cause of those burn marks. The cue ball jumps because the cue stick is elevated and it's shot with speed.
You can prove this to yourself by placing a dime along the cue ball path that's midway between its starting point and where it bounces. Break as you have been, and the cue ball won't hit the coin.
There are two types of speed on every shot. Directional speed is how the ball is moving along the table, while rotational speed is how the cue ball is spinning.
Remember back to high school physics. Energy in = Energy out.
Any energy that provides rotational speed is taking away from energy applied to directional speed.
On the break shot, rotational speed on the cue ball has very little if any effect on how the rack breaks. Directional speed provides the energy that is transferred into breaking the rack.
Where would you prefer your energy to be concentrated?
Steve
Remember back to high school physics. Energy in = Energy out.
Any energy that provides rotational speed is taking away from energy applied to directional speed.
On the break shot, rotational speed on the cue ball has very little if any effect on how the rack breaks. Directional speed provides the energy that is transferred into breaking the rack.
Where would you prefer your energy to be concentrated?
Steve
filmed?
most instructors ive heard film stuff, has any one ever filmed the break?
i was wondering what actually takes place. Is the cb sliding, rolling, probally in my case skipping into the rack. I always keep cb on the table 100% and between the head string and side pockets 60% make a ball 50% are these normal or above or below good standards?
most instructors ive heard film stuff, has any one ever filmed the break?
i was wondering what actually takes place. Is the cb sliding, rolling, probally in my case skipping into the rack. I always keep cb on the table 100% and between the head string and side pockets 60% make a ball 50% are these normal or above or below good standards?