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:confused: Apa allows jumping ,no scooping but must be with the same cue you are using and this cue can not be broken down!
I am a returning player who was a member of the pre-jump playing days. How did this come about.
I think it sucks when a great safe by a pro is played and out comes the jump cue!
I am still subject to having my mind changed.
How about APA rule is this a better rule for all pool matches?.
Can pro -amateur players jump with their regular cue?
I never see APA players attempt to jump Maybe due to small tables, house rules or jump cue restictions!
 
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I guess it varies, jumping is not allowed at all in my league (APA). I'm not sure if it's because of the house rules or not in this particular place.
 
Breaking the cue down in the middle of a match is a forfeit. I would assume this also applies to jump/break cues as well. You have to use the whole cue, not just the jump part. If you take the cue apart you lose the match...

Banger McCue
 
I learned to jump because one of our Saturday afternoon 9-ball ring game regulars bought himself a jump stick and started making balls that were otherwise unmakeable... thereby improving his chance to run out for the cash... which "made" me go buy one for myself and learn a new pool skill... jumping balls with a jump stick.

Since I now know how... and have a jump stick, I favor formats that allow them.

Lower-level leagues typically outlaw them for fear of damaging the cloth.

I believe they should be allowed because they increase the skill set of everybody. I still kick... but certain shots ought to be jumped... not kicked.
 
Jumping is allowed in APA, as long as you use a full length cue. You can't use a shorter cue specifically designed for jumping.

That said, a particular venue may not allow jumping on their tables, for fear of the cloth being worn down early or simply torn.
 
ScottW said:
Jumping is allowed in APA, as long as you use a full length cue. You can't use a shorter cue specifically designed for jumping.

That said, a particular venue may not allow jumping on their tables, for fear of the cloth being worn down early or simply torn.
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Also, I believe you cannot elevate beyond 45 degrees either.
 
http://www.poolplayers.com/tmanual.pdf




33. EQUIPMENT
In general, any piece of equipment designed specifically for pocket billiards,
with the exception of jump cues and laser devices, is acceptable in APA
League play. Special equipment, such as bridges and cue extenders, are legal.
Jump shots are legal, when executed properly (see JUMP SHOTS described
in Definitions), but such shots must be attempted using your regular game
cue. Those cues especially designed for jump shots MAY NOT be used in
competition. Players are not allowed to break their cues down to attempt
jump shots.
*Any piece of equipment not covered by this rule and in question will be ruled
upon by APA. Cues with moveable parts will generally NOT be allowed.



JUMP SHOT: A jump shot is when the cue ball is struck with the cue tip in
a downward fashion for the purpose of elevating or jumping the cue ball over
an impeding object ball to achieve a legal hit. It is a foul to jump the cue ball
by “scooping” it over the impeding ball. See a local professional for more
information concerning how to jump the cue ball legally.
 
i could have sworn

Could have sworn I saw jump cues in the Masters Division in Vegas last year.
Ateam out of my room won it all and I could have sworn jump cues were used. I could be wrong however, because they are legal in my Masters APA Division (22 teams). Strongest in the country I believe with a first and fifth place finish last year.
 
Confirmed

APA does allow jump cues in its masters division only. Says so on the Masters format page. I knew I wasn't dreaming...
 
DelaWho??? said:
Breaking the cue down in the middle of a match is a forfeit. I would assume this also applies to jump/break cues as well. You have to use the whole cue, not just the jump part. If you take the cue apart you lose the match...

Banger McCue
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According to World Standardized Rules rule 1.16 breaking down a cue is a concession of the match if your opponent is at the table shooting and it is the decisive game of the match for him. At any other time or if it is your shot you can break down a cue if you want.

The rule is intended to prevent a form "sharking" by breaking down your cue as if to say " I give up, you win " and then if your opponent misses putting it back together again to shoot.

If this was not the case, all the jump/break cues being sold would be useless.
 
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I am not sure if it is just me, I find those Valley much more difficult to jump than a regular Brunswick or Diamond.

Richard
 
The rule is .....

PKM said:
I guess it varies, jumping is not allowed at all in my league (APA). I'm not sure if it's because of the house rules or not in this particular place.
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Jumping is legal as long as it is allowed in the room you are playing in (some table owners do not take their rags, especially simonis, getting torn up by would be jumpers! and as long as you use your playing cue without breaking it down.:)
 
Isn't it easier for someone who does not know how to jump to damage the cloth trying to do so with a full cue?

Just wondering...

Richard
 
X Breaker said:
Isn't it easier for someone who does not know how to jump to damage the cloth trying to do so with a full cue?

Just wondering...

Richard
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In my opinion, yes. When I bought my J/B cue (mostly for breaking with the expectation I'd one day learn to jump) and started jumping at balls, I'd rarely even touch the cloth.

Masse I could understand, but no jump cues? Another reason I don't play APA. My jump cue is my way of punishing a weak safety.
 
I suspect the no-jump-cue rule is to keep the playing field more level, with the exception of skills/handicaps. Most APA players don't have what we would call "nice" cues - many just play with house cues - and those folks aren't going to be inclined to go out and buy a jump cue. Idea is, not to give the advantage to the player who is willing to spend the cashola.

Most of the other leagues cater to a more serious player, the type that *does* invest in his/her cue or cues, hence no such restriction.

As far as "touching the cloth" - you may not be touching it *with the cue* when you jump, but you're driving the cueball *into* the cloth when you jump. That friction superheats that one spot on the cloth for a brief moment, which weakens the cloth over time.

When taking a pool clinic in February, the instructor played this German 3-cushion DVD the morning of the last day. It was amazing - all these crazy things these guys did with a cue ball. They shot a lot of it in super high-speed, and also, with heat-sensitive film - where you could see, when big draw was put on the cue ball, a purple line would form on that ball where it was rubbing on the cloth - that line showing the temperature change.

The relevant bit here is, when these guys would shoot a normal shot - with the heat-sensitive scenes, you could see that the cue ball didn't start out simply rolling, but skipped across the table a bit - and you could see that because the cloth would show little purple spots where the cue ball contacted and heated up the cloth slightly as it skipped across the cloth before settling down and rolling. And these were your average center-ball hits, level with the table surface

Now imagine jumping a cue ball - driving down on it 45 degrees or more - the amount of heat generated from that friction.
 
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Issues

I can see arguments for both sides. Room owners omplaining about 3 and 4's trying to jump balls and damage the tables.

IMO, anyone below a money level 5 should not jump. They don't know enough. Pool knowledge is building blocks, and getting to specialty shots
before you have the basics down is putting the buggy before the horse.

I firmly believe you should know how to kick, 1,2,3,4,5 rails before going
on to jump shots.

Although Jump cues have caused lots of controversy, players were jumping with their playing cues years and years before a jump cue was invented, sometimes just with the shaft of the cue, and no complaints, except by the guy that lost his money.

I bought my first jump cue, an original Frog, because I was getting beat with them in money matches, and I do not like to lose money.

It is a necessary tool to survive in the Pool world today. Like it was said,
the game has evolved, and as a player you have to too.
 
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