jump sticks and 14.1

[Dan Harriman]

I agree with Undeclocked

If this guy could have seen Underclocked shoot snooker back in the mid 80's then he would probably never want to look at another jump cue or question anything Underclocked said pertaining to the game.

I disagree. I had the 2nd best jump shot maker that I know do several jump shots from one area of the table. The shots required a quick jump as the ball being jumped wasn't far from the cue ball. Every point where his shots originated a contact impression was made by his ceramic tip. The cue ball would then settle into each of those spots when tested. The indent was not just in the cloth as it was obvious that it was also in the slate itself.

It isn't just about the cloth used on the table.

Jump shots still cause the same damage they always have, it's just that the lighter jump cues may hit with less momentum.

By the way, that player still shoots jump shots very effectively even though he now now knows the shots are damaging the table. I cannot fault him as he plays against other players doing the same thing.

I think there is a lot of defensive hype about jump shots. Try that little experiment for yourself (hopefully on your own table).

 

[Rich93]

In the straight pool challenge room at Derby in 2010, I saw a player use a jump cue to continue his run. He missed. I was glad.

 

[Dan Harriman]

I beg to differ

There was a reason---but not anymore. The old signs were in old rooms that used old type fabrics that did not include synthetic threads. The old fabrics was more easily torn the the modern fabrics.

Not to be argumentative but actually the cloth I played on years ago was a heavy nap cloth or what we call directional cloth, the thicker or more heavy the weave in the cloth lesstear. Simonis is a thinner cloth that will tear easier than the old cloth, also the phonolic tip does damage the cue ball no matter what the weight of the jump cue. Please leave the pogo sticks at the playground and keep the game as it was meant to be played. It's standard that any player who can jump the ball with his or her playing cue is proper table etiquette, but to introduce the pogo stick to the 14.1 is nothing short of a travesty in my humble opinion.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

Not to be argumentative but actually the cloth I played on years ago was a heavy nap cloth or what we call directional cloth, the thicker or more heavy the weave in the cloth lesstear. Simonis is a thinner cloth that will tear easier than the old cloth, also the phonolic tip does damage the cue ball no matter what the weight of the jump cue. Please leave the pogo sticks at the playground and keep the game as it was meant to be played. It's standard that any player who can jump the ball with his or her playing cue is proper table etiquette, but to introduce the pogo stick to the 14.1 is nothing short of a travesty in my humble opinion.

Danny, in my humble opinion you needn't be so humble with your opinion regarding matters 14.1 :wink:

 

[Winston846]

Please leave the pogo sticks at the playground and keep the game as it was meant to be played. It's standard that any player who can jump the ball with his or her playing cue is proper table etiquette, but to introduce the pogo stick to the 14.1 is nothing short of a travesty in my humble opinion.

TAP TAP TAP!

Danny, while you may regard your opinion as humble, there are many of us here who regard you as one of the top 14.1 players out there.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

The only good argument I have seen against not using the jump stick is the BCA rule about using your playing cue to perform the jump. If you are not observing BCA rules (or other rules that prohibit a jump stick) how can you judge another player for playing within the parameters of the game?

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

The only good argument I have seen against not using the jump stick is the BCA rule about using your playing cue to perform the jump. If you are not observing BCA rules (or other rules that prohibit a jump stick) how can you judge another player for playing within the parameters of the game?

I can't disagree with this except to say this is a discussion about how we feel the game should be played and yes, perhaps the rules need to be amended to close the "loophole". Keep in mind though, that even if playing by rules that don't state playing cue only, you still must have a tip that conforms to the rules. That would still prohibit most jump cues, at least those with phenolic tips.

 

[TheNewSharkster]

I can't disagree with this except to say this is a discussion about how we feel the game should be played and yes, perhaps the rules need to be amended to close the "loophole". Keep in mind though, that even if playing by rules that don't state playing cue only, you still must have a tip that conforms to the rules. That would still prohibit most jump cues, at least those with phenolic tips.

Reminds me of the time I was playing call pocket 8ball and called 'D' and shot in my ball. Pretty standard move but my opponent was furious because I meant to make the ball but gave up the table. He thought I didn't play the game how it was meant to be played but I was doing what I thought gave me the best chance of winning.

 

[miha]

there's a tape in the accustats library of Mizerak jumping over a ball in 14.1, 1993 cleveland invitational, match against Leski IIRC.