Jumping

Dawgie

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I just started to practice jumping. I use a jump cue with a phenolic tip. What I noticed is that using this type of tip has caused small tears in the cloth. Has anybody else had this problem with the phenolic tip?

Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.:confused:
 
Well if you are just learning you can expect alot of abuse to the cloth,until you get the stroke that works right for you. You can also gently sand the edge of the tip where it it hitting the cloth so it is not so sharp that it cuts the cloth.

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IMO, You shouldn't be hitting the cloth when jumping, unless you're only a ball distance between CB and OB.

Zim
 
jump shot advice

Dawgie said:
I just started to practice jumping. I use a jump cue with a phenolic tip. What I noticed is that using this type of tip has caused small tears in the cloth. Has anybody else had this problem with the phenolic tip?

Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.:confused:
When beginning to learn, you can limit cloth damage by using a small piece of spare cloth beneath the ball (e.g., see NV 7.13).

For jump shot technique advice, see HSV B.3. Also, see:
The tip should not be hitting the cloth with a well executed jump shot.

Good luck,
Dave
 
Zims Rack said:
IMO, You shouldn't be hitting the cloth when jumping, unless you're only a ball distance between CB and OB.

Zim

Agreed. Just keep practicing and you will develop your jump "stroke". OR you could just practice kicking :).
 
tip hitting the cloth

Zims Rack said:
IMO, You shouldn't be hitting the cloth when jumping, unless you're only a ball distance between CB and OB.
I agree. See HSV B.3 for super-slow-motion examples at various cue elevations.

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave has some fantastic videos! I watched all of them last week, simply incredible!

Zim
 
It's actually not that easy to get the CB to jump and get the tip of your jump cue to the cloth on the same stroke. A jump cue doesn't weigh enough to keep going much after contact, and if you force it through (like a masse stroke) you won't get good jump action. You might be slipping off the bottom of the ball, but I'm guessing that the tears you see are from the cueball, not the tip. If you practice jump shots many times in one spot on the table you will do noticable damage pretty quickly even with a perfect stroke.
 
Have you got a small radius on the outer edge of the tip?
I have seen some jump tips where the outer corner is still sharp.
I think it is a 1/16 radius or like that.
Neil
 
Zims Rack said:
IMO, You shouldn't be hitting the cloth when jumping, unless you're only a ball distance between CB and OB.

Zim

Zim, I agree with you, you should not be contacting the cloth with the cue tip. Air Jump by predator, allows me to jump over a full ball within two inches of the Qball (in the 5.5 ounce configuration) without ever touching the cloth with the tip. little bubba
 
longhair said:
It's actually not that easy to get the CB to jump and get the tip of your jump cue to the cloth on the same stroke. A jump cue doesn't weigh enough to keep going much after contact, and if you force it through (like a masse stroke) you won't get good jump action. You might be slipping off the bottom of the ball, but I'm guessing that the tears you see are from the cueball, not the tip. If you practice jump shots many times in one spot on the table you will do noticable damage pretty quickly even with a perfect stroke.

That's exactly what I thought. I've done some masse shots with a friend. We never hit the cloth with the tip, but there are some white marks on the cloth. It was some burn marks from the CB. Not from the tip.
 
all jump shots effects in video

longhair said:
It's actually not that easy to get the CB to jump and get the tip of your jump cue to the cloth on the same stroke. A jump cue doesn't weigh enough to keep going much after contact, and if you force it through (like a masse stroke) you won't get good jump action. You might be slipping off the bottom of the ball, but I'm guessing that the tears you see are from the cueball, not the tip. If you practice jump shots many times in one spot on the table you will do noticable damage pretty quickly even with a perfect stroke.
FYI, HSV B.3 shows and describes all of these effects. I don't talk about the burn marks on the cloth (from the ball being driven into the table), but you can see them at the end of the clip.

Regards,
Dave
 
Dawgie said:
I just started to practice jumping. I use a jump cue with a phenolic tip. What I noticed is that using this type of tip has caused small tears in the cloth. Has anybody else had this problem with the phenolic tip?

Or maybe I'm doing something wrong.:confused:
On some types of cloth (old thin simonis in particular) excessive force directed downward at the cloth can cause it to get a little "impact hole." This typically occurs when a lot of force is directed to a very small area on the cloth - the threads are just mashed until they break. I don't consider these tears per se, rather, they look like a very small hole with frayed edges.

If this is what you are getting, there is very little in the way of technique that can remedy it...

-td
 
dr_dave said:
FYI, HSV B.3 shows and describes all of these effects. I don't talk about the burn marks on the cloth (from the ball being driven into the table), but you can see them at the end of the clip.

Regards,
Dave
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle! I guess a jump stroke does push the cue through after contact. Thanks for posting that, I learned something new again. That keeps happening to me.
 
jump shot grips and cue action

longhair said:
I guess a jump stroke does push the cue through after contact. Thanks for posting that, I learned something new again. That keeps happening to me.
Actually, the amount the cue follows through after contact (if it does) depends on the weight of the jump cue, the stroke type (conventional vs. dart), the tightness of the grip (it should be loose), and how far below center the CB is struck. I'm glad you found HSV B.3 interesting. FYI, HSV B.5 shows a close-up of both a conventional and dart grip for jump shots.

Regards,
Dave
 
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