just a few banks...

theUBC

theUBC

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As you all know you have to cut a video several times when you produce an instructional pool video.

One guy saw the trailer of my SEE-SYSTEM and said:

"You should do 10 or fifteen different bank shots in a row without cutting off the video, to prove your system for banking really works. Because anyone could video themselves making one bank shot, cut off the video and then do another bank shot and then say they have a great banking system. I need proof that your system actually works".

I do understand him so I decided to shoot a few banks in a row and not to cut the video...

Enjoy!:thumbup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5_sY25k-U8&feature=youtube_gdata
 
This discussion on hitting 15 banks in a row to prove a banking method is pretty meaningless.

There's too many variables. Speed, spin on the CB when it contacts the OB, spin on OB when it contacts the rail.

And the only banking methods needed are the ones in Beard's book. Nobody disputes them. And you need to adjust the system because every table is different.

They are just based on geometry, but Beard has gone through the trouble to figure them out. And it's more complicated than a "method." You need to know thousands of little things in order to bank the balls.
 
I dont think this video alone proves the system works. A lot of the bank shots that were shot were pretty elementary.
 
The glaring flaw in this discussion is that there is not one place to hit the object ball. You can make most banks using several different angles. So how does an aiming system help?
 
SEE-System

It is out of discussion that we have to hit the object at different spots for different angles.
Yes there are a lot of things to know when banking and I just show a way how to bank them by using the SEE-SYSTEM.
This system gives the player different orientation lines for banks (different angles.)

THE SEE-SYSTEM is not only for aiming.
Some people seem to be strange...
 
theUBC said:
It is out of discussion that we have to hit the object at different spots for different angles.
Yes there are a lot of things to know when banking and I just show a way how to bank them by using the SEE-SYSTEM.
This system gives the player different orientation lines for banks (different angles.)

THE SEE-SYSTEM is not only for aiming.
Some people seem to be strange...
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What I am telling you is very important, and needs to be read carefully and critically.

A banking method does not tell you where to aim. A banking method is a REFERENCE, usually for the natural angle of the bank. EVERY bank needs to be adjusted for speed, spin, and table conditions.

That is why just knowing a banking method is meaningless. The key is in the adjustments. Beard shows you how to make these adjustments practically.
 
SEE-System and banking

@aiming vodooo
...what you are saying is correct. BUT Your problem is that you have not read the book nor have watched my video. Otherwise you would know that I do tell in the SEE-SYSTEM that you have to adjust for speed, English and the used stroke.
I show exactly what to do regarding speed, English and the effects of the strokes we use. And for each case their are orientation lines and knowledge about CIT.

The way you do your statement implements that my system is crap, because it doesn't show when or what to adjust when banking.
THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
I am always open minded to constructive critism but your statements without any deeper knowledge about my book really makes go AAAAAHHHHHHH!

Believe me I know all books of the BEARD/ i ve seen his videos/ I have learnt a lot of it and I love it.
But it is not the holy grale-just as my SEE-SYSTEM ain't it neither.
It is just a different approach to same subject.

EKKES:angry:
 
Ekkes---

First of all... well done. Someone pointed out that your banks were elementary and that's not fair. "Elementary" (to me, at least) means center-to-center banks made with speed alone. Many of your banks were cut banks where you had to "do something." Super tough, no. But not elementary either.

Although you didn't make 100% of all your banks, the banks you missed were within "the tits" of the pocket. Meaning, your alignment was perfect and a mere speed adjustment makes every ball you missed. When you can eliminate alignment as a guess on your banks and reduce them to speed shots -- you're going to make a LOT of banks.

I also disagree with AimingVoodoo that banks are made with thousands of variables. That's ridiculous. The best bankers recognize variables (for sure), but execution-wise find methods that eliminate or overcome certain variables to create a more FINITE approach to banking --- That, I believe, is what you are demonstrating.

I've been playing around with the SEE SYSTEM and it's a great foundation to alignment and ball pocketing (obviously banking as well). It's a really fresh approach -- and it's fun to learn something new.

That said, you can see that putting yourself out there isn't easy--- everyone likes to post anonymously about this or that and they prob can't make 2 banks in a row. It'd be nice if someone was going to debate you on banking methods that they themselves post a similar video so we can check out a baseline.

Congrats on having the courage to post new information and to post a video backing up your level of play --- most people are scared to death to do that, but love dissecting someone who does.

Here's my banking video that I got castrated for posting--- none of which were natural banks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd4qxOy-tJw
Dave
 
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theUBC said:
@aiming vodooo
...what you are saying is correct. BUT Your problem is that you have not read the book nor have watched my video. Otherwise you would know that I do tell in the SEE-SYSTEM that you have to adjust for speed, English and the used stroke.
I show exactly what to do regarding speed, English and the effects of the strokes we use. And for each case their are orientation lines and knowledge about CIT.

The way you do your statement implements that my system is crap, because it doesn't show when or what to adjust when banking.
THIS IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
I am always open minded to constructive critism but your statements without any deeper knowledge about my book really makes go AAAAAHHHHHHH!

Believe me I know all books of the BEARD/ i ve seen his videos/ I have learnt a lot of it and I love it.
But it is not the holy grale-just as my SEE-SYSTEM ain't it neither.
It is just a different approach to same subject.

EKKES:angry:
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You have a very level headed approach. I am glad to see you say that no system is all encompassing. There will always be naysayers and people that tell you it won't work. If you believe it and others see success, that is all that matters. Best of luck in your sales.
 
banks

Hey Dave!

Thanks for your words!
I know your video and it shows very well that 90/90 and CTE makes banking easier as well.

If guys like you and I can make them with a percentage of 70-85% most of all that naysayers should be able to do them with 95% without any system
(...which implements that they even shoot every bank differently- even the same ones cause otherwise it could be near to a system:p

The world waits for you all to post any video- since years...

We will wait and SEE:thumbup:
 
theUBC said:
Hey Dave!

Thanks for your words!
I know your video and it shows very well that 90/90 and CTE makes banking easier as well.

If guys like you and I can make them with a percentage of 70-85% most of all that naysayers should be able to do them with 95% without any system
(...which implements that they even shoot every bank differently- even the same ones cause otherwise it could be near to a system:p

The world waits for you all to post any video- since years...

We will wait and SEE:thumbup:
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CTE/pro1/90-90/SEE --- they're all foundations and procedures. Working from a baseline, imo, is better than stepping in randomly. When you build experience based on a set procedure, variables invariably become eliminated (like that one? haha).

Dave
 
Video was good.

Something I noticed is that it has Google audio CC enabled. You have a bit of an accent which the audio transcriber has a tough time with. Hit the CC button and activate the convert audio to caption, then watch the video.

It has you cursing at the end lol.
 
Ekkes' system for banking works. As I've stated before and posted similar info about a like method, you can bank without using the diamonds. Turning a deaf ear to new information without trying it out won't help your game. It's actually old information passed down to me. How old? I don't have a clue. Maybe Ralph and Willie used it.:grin:

I use the diamonds to get a general angle for each bank if it's tough. Then I apply my method. For basic banks I use geometric setups with diagrammable contact points. No hocus, pocus. Just aiming points. And of course...good banking sense like spin and speed control.

Ekkes has a similar system with easy to understand alignments. If you aren't interested in the aiming portion of the vid, the banks will be a good tool for your game.

Best,
Mike
 
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