Just announced--johnny vs ignacio!

SJDinPHX said:
Nothing wrong with voicing an opinion CE..But when you're way outnumbered by the large majority of sensible, knowledgable posters, maybe its time to re-think your position!..Jes' sayin'! :rolleyes:

PS...Either that, or tell us how to stop bad 'rolls' from happening occasionally!...Now that would make you a very rich man! :sorry: :p
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Thanks dad....I'm okay with avoiding slop pool for the cash. You guys keep sweating the rolls.
 
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I think Orcullo and Biado might be the only two I'd put above Ignacio. He's really fun to watch. Makes it look too easy sometimes.
 
BeiberLvr said:
If you're going to get upset about something like that, then simply put, you are an idiot when it comes to managing your bankroll.

Would you also get upset if your opponent called a safety, and the CB rolls off, but ends up freezing you to another ball. What if you called safe, and banked a ball to the other end, but it accidentally goes in off another ball? Would you be okay with that?
And how about if your opponent calls the 10 ball, but hits it bad, but it goes multiple rails and into the pocket he called.

The fact is, that Johnny and Jeff could have played under almost any rules, and Jeff still would have Horse #@#%@ him. That can be said about almost any match up. Winners aren't determined by the rules.
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Actualy rules play a big role in determining winners,,that's why you have Texas express to bring the field closer together ,, unlike 2 foul that separates the field

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No way to take all the rolls out but it wouldnt hurt my feelings to make all games call shot.

Even Call shot call safe doesn't take away the rolls. Not even close to doing so..

The layout after the break might just be the biggest and most common roll but it never gets mentioned.
 
Call Pocket

Well, I'd like to voice my opinion on the call shot-call safe rule.

I must be in the minority on this forum, but I like call shot and call safe.
If you miss your pocket, you need to sit down.
And when coupled with call safe you may have to shot again if you hook your opponent.
Love it. Applaud Johnny Archer for requiring these rules.

All games on pocket tables need to be call pocket.
I think this would make the majority of players better, from your first day of playing to your current level.

Also, I'm not sure the speed of the majority of players on this site.
I read a lot of lower level player type responses which is great but, I personally prefer reading what the better players are talking about.

I think calling your shots along with many other rule changes is the wave of the future.

Many pro's have been re-racking if they make a ball on the break playing One Pocket. This rule is now trickling down to some pool rooms that I have found myself playing One Hole.

Thanks

Karate-
 
Something that's needs to mentioned is there's a differance of what the players want and what viewers want ,, they may not be the same thing viewers don't want 6.5 hours for a race to 25 as one suggested ,
Players don't care what it looks like on screen , they only care about winning ,, and most if not all I ever talked to wants to limit the luck factor by either push our of call shot call safe that's not what is most viewer friendly


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Karate said:
Well, I'd like to voice my opinion on the call shot-call safe rule.

I must be in the minority on this forum, but I like call shot and call safe.
If you miss your pocket, you need to sit down.
And when coupled with call safe you may have to shot again if you hook your opponent.
Love it. Applaud Johnny Archer for requiring these rules.

All games on pocket tables need to be call pocket.
I think this would make the majority of players better, from your first day of playing to your current level.

Also, I'm not sure the speed of the majority of players on this site.
I read a lot of lower level player type responses which is great but, I personally prefer reading what the better players are talking about.

I think calling your shots along with many other rule changes is the wave of the future.

Many pro's have been re-racking if they make a ball on the break playing One Pocket. This rule is now trickling down to some pool rooms that I have found myself playing One Hole.

Thanks

Karate-
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True in many things you say but rules were not written for players even though a couple here would say players help in writing the rules
One pocket I believe is fast growing as the ultimate gambling game and even though it moves at a turtles pace I believe it's also gaining a strong viewership as more and more one pocket is being played by the boomers

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CaleAYS said:
I think Orcullo and Biado might be the only two I'd put above Ignacio. He's really fun to watch. Makes it look too easy sometimes.
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One player that has impressed me the most among the Filipinos is JOHANN CHUA. IMHO, he is about at par with Ignacio or even a little better. One thing for sure, if and whenever he gets here, he will give all the American players with the exception of SVB a run for their money. This guy is fearless and is a future world champion. He is the next breakout star from the Philippines.
 
f210 said:
One player that has impressed me the most among the Filipinos is JOHANN CHUA. IMHO, he is about at par with Ignacio or even a little better. One thing for sure, if and whenever he gets here, he will give all the American players with the exception of SVB a run for their money. This guy is fearless and is a future world champion. He is the next breakout star from the Philippines.
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Agree with you, take a look at this, Chua vs Ignacio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXnn_-BleSA
 
one stroke:
" Applaud Johnny Archer for requiring these rules."

Your screen name would fit Ignacio perfectly as he strokes once 95% of the time. How do you know Johnny required the rules or just agreed to them?
 
Where are they

Texas Express was supposed to help speed the game up, AND bring more viewers.
Where are they. When you play two foul the luck factor is almost completely
nullified, and it brings shot making and banking into the game. Plus the spot shot.
And strategy, sometimes you would scratch on purpose and give your opponent
ball in hand behind the line if he didn't like it make you shoot. The 8 on the spot
the 9 frozen to the end rail, ball in hand behind the line, have to draw to side rail.
All kinds of things you don't see any more. How many on here that were around
and played both, two foul and one foul (not just know what two foul is but played
and gambled that way) prefer one foul. I really can't imagine if your money is on
the line you would want to play that way. Even if you call every thing you can
think of, the lesser player has better chance at one foul.
jack
 
f210 said:
One player that has impressed me the most among the Filipinos is JOHANN CHUA. IMHO, he is about at par with Ignacio or even a little better. One thing for sure, if and whenever he gets here, he will give all the American players with the exception of SVB a run for their money. This guy is fearless and is a future world champion. He is the next breakout star from the Philippines.
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i think biado, chua and ignacio are all on the same level. biado's advantage is his exposure in the international scene. but here in the Philippines, all three are even. here's a good match between biado ang jeff ignacio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDQo70s85zk
as for chua, his training routine is very organized. he'd practice his break for hours. sometimes you'd see him just doing jump shots. sometimes just bank shots. i hope he passes his next visa application so he can visit the US soon.
 
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arps said:
i think biado, chua and ignacio are all on the same level. biado's advantage is his exposure in the international scene. but here in the Philippines, all three are even. here's a good match between biado ang jeff ignacio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDQo70s85zk
as for chua, his training routine is very organized. he'd practice his break for hours. sometimes you'd see him just doing jump shots. sometimes just bank shots. i hope he passes his next visa application so he can visit the US soon.
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Thanks for the link. Where was this match played?
 
Karate said:
Well, I'd like to voice my opinion on the call shot-call safe rule.

I must be in the minority on this forum, but I like call shot and call safe.
If you miss your pocket, you need to sit down.
And when coupled with call safe you may have to shot again if you hook your opponent.
Love it. Applaud Johnny Archer for requiring these rules.

All games on pocket tables need to be call pocket.
I think this would make the majority of players better, from your first day of playing to your current level.

Also, I'm not sure the speed of the majority of players on this site.
I read a lot of lower level player type responses which is great but, I personally prefer reading what the better players are talking about.

I think calling your shots along with many other rule changes is the wave of the future.

Many pro's have been re-racking if they make a ball on the break playing One Pocket. This rule is now trickling down to some pool rooms that I have found myself playing One Hole.

Thanks

Karate-
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I also might be one of the minority who likes call shot-call safe, those of you who don't like it, you better not try to play American Rotation, or Pinoy style of rotation, both 15 ball rotation games, not even ball in hand anywhere on the table exist in the Philipines. My personal opinion, it is the proper way to weed out pretenders from players. All rules in place are for the audience, TV and for the sake of getting rid of the players quick so the next one up pays for the table again, all this is killing what Professional Billiards used to be.
Some protest the exclusion of the two way shot, some say is an acquired skill, once again, personal opinion, a two way shot works when the player is not sure on what to do and try to get lucky at the same time, pocket the ball or play safe I say, the best players that day will win because he did what he said he was going to do.
Flame me now, that's fine :)
 
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genuino said:
I also might be one of the minority who likes call shot-call safe, those of you who don't like it, you better not try to play American Rotation, or Pinoy style of rotation, both 15 ball rotation games, not even ball in hand anywhere on the table exist in the Philipines. My personal opinion, it is the proper way to weed out pretenders from players. All rules in place are for the audience, TV and for the sake of getting rid of the players quick so the next one up pays for the table again, all this is killing what Professional Billiards used to be.
Some protest the exclusion of the two way shot, some say is an acquired skill, once again, personal opinion, a two way shot works when the player is not sure on what to do and try to get lucky at the same time, pocket the ball or play safe I say, the best players that day will win because he did what he said he was going to do.
Flame me now, that's fine :)
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I agree with you 100%.

I have no problem calling anything. If you can't do what you call, then maybe you need some more practice. I think Texas Express rules is what killed the game, from a player's perspective. Ask C.J., ask, Earl, ask Buddy, ask Keith, or anybody else who played before this BIH fiasco came into play.
 
Texas express killed it, agree. Not saying that it is not fun to play on a night out with friends because I do, but serious competition? C'mon guys. There is a movement in Europe to make 9 ball championship matches a called game.
If there is one tournament I like to attend every chance I get is the Mosconi Cup, but I would make it a call shot, still can't believe players celebrate a fluke on the 9 to win.
If I find the article or link for the 9 ball rule changes in Europe, will post it here.
 
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