Just completed pool school.....

Charlie Fogg

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....with Randy G, in Dallas and what an experience this was for me. I have taken lot's of instruction in my life (school, sports, etc). Never have I seen a curriculum layed out in such an organized, "building block" style that is so easy to comprehend. I spent 3 days with Randy and went through a lot of instruction and I don't feel overwhelmed at all. I have taken 1 hour golf lessons in the past that left me not knowing what to do when I got to the practice tee. Not so with pool school. I know exactly what I need to do on my home table to make my learnings habits. I had a blast at pool school and each day was over before I knew it. Instructors in all sports should observe Randy G's teaching methods and curriculum first hand. I'll bet they would be embarrased with their body of work. Thank you Randy for a wonderful experience! I'll be back!
 
Charlie Fogg...Well, I don't know about embarrassed, but we try to stress to our SPF instructors that this style of teaching is based on years of experience, and works for many different types and qualities of students. I find it interesting to see how "the book" has evolved over the years. It keeps getting better and better. Randy and I learn new things from our students every time we hold a pool school. There are many fine instructors out there. Blackjack, Joe Tucker, Lil' Joe and Mark Wilson come immediately to mind. Not everyone teaches the same thing the same way. One thing is certain...we ALL strive to help our students to improve themselves! Glad you enjoyed the school...now get to work! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

....with Randy G, in Dallas and what an experience this was for me. I have taken lot's of instruction in my life (school, sports, etc). Never have I seen a curriculum layed out in such an organized, "building block" style that is so easy to comprehend. I spent 3 days with Randy and went through a lot of instruction and I don't feel overwhelmed at all. I have taken 1 hour golf lessons in the past that left me not knowing what to do when I got to the practice tee. Not so with pool school. I know exactly what I need to do on my home table to make my learnings habits. I had a blast at pool school and each day was over before I knew it. Instructors in all sports should observe Randy G's teaching methods and curriculum first hand. I'll bet they would be embarrased with their body of work. Thank you Randy for a wonderful experience! I'll be back!
 
Charlie,
Randy, Scott, myself, and several others spend a lot of time doing a couple of different things. One is we are constantly learning as much as we can about pool. That is not much different from many instructors. The other thing we work on is how to present the information in the class in a way that will allow every student to gain the most from their time in class.

I have had some students question why a good bit of time is spent in the workbooks and in discussion as opposed to actually being at the table. It is the balance of both that helps the students not only learn the information, but retain it as well.

You have just participated in 3 days of instruction that will take you on a journey that will continue for years.

Congratulations!

Steve
 
Charlie Fogg...Well, I don't know about embarrassed, but we try to stress to our SPF instructors that this style of teaching is based on years of experience, and works for many different types and qualities of students. I find it interesting to see how "the book" has evolved over the years. It keeps getting better and better. Randy and I learn new things from our students every time we hold a pool school. There are many fine instructors out there. Blackjack, Joe Tucker, Lil' Joe and Mark Wilson come immediately to mind. Not everyone teaches the same thing the same way. One thing is certain...we ALL strive to help our students to improve themselves! Glad you enjoyed the school...now get to work! :D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I always tell people, that we all have differing styles, but one thing we all have in common is that we all try to do our best for the student/player. My niche isn't fundamentals - it is more with game strategy, the mental game, etc. When I have students come to me with issues that are grounded in the fundamentals, 9 times out of 10, I refer them to one of the SPF family of instructors. I would be doing them a great disservice by trying to teach them something when I know that they could greatly benefit by receiving better quality instruction from Randy, Scott, Steve, Rufus, etc.

I believe that as a teacher, it is important to put the student before your ego.

I do teach a course in fundamentals, and most of what I teach has been directly passed down to me from Randy anyway. I just feel that the student will benefit more from Randy, Scott, or Steve. JMO.

I do teach differently, and I teach things that are slightly outside the box. Sometimes that's not a bad thing to do. I believe that I was the first instructor that utilized the block building/pyramid structure - something I had found that was utilized effectively by Coach John Wooden. I had the idea of applying it to pool rattling inside my head for about a year. Finally, I sat down one day and put it on paper... then I did a diagram. Then I wrote a few paragraphs about each block in the structure. Two paragraphs eventually became 38 separate 20-page chapters.

Almost 15 years later, I have seen other instructors adopt this method and use the same/similar block building structures/pyramids in their material. Some have upgraded and improved upon the foundation of my original work, which is fine by me - IMO, if that if it helps students to improve - then it is good. Years ago, the "blocks and pyramid" was considered unconventional and "outside the box" thinking - today it is commonplace, widely accepted, and extremely effective.

What others may not know, is that we all communicate with each other to help each other become better teachers. We look at new techniques, training methods, etc, and we supply each other with feedback, evaluation, pros and cons. That is a vital part of what makes the best instructors the best instructors. To me, as long as the student win, we all win. For that reason, I will never hesitate to I refer students to best instructors on the planet - much like I did for Charlie in this instance.
 
I always tell people, that we all have differing styles, but one thing we all have in common is that we all try to do our best for the student/player. My niche isn't fundamentals - it is more with game strategy, the mental game, etc. When I have students come to me with issues that are grounded in the fundamentals, 9 times out of 10, I refer them to one of the SPF family of instructors. I would be doing them a great disservice by trying to teach them something when I know that they could greatly benefit by receiving better quality instruction from Randy, Scott, Steve, Rufus, etc.

I believe that as a teacher, it is important to put the student before your ego.

I do teach a course in fundamentals, and most of what I teach has been directly passed down to me from Randy anyway. I just feel that the student will benefit more from Randy, Scott, or Steve. JMO.

I do teach differently, and I teach things that are slightly outside the box. Sometimes that's not a bad thing to do. I believe that I was the first instructor that utilized the block building/pyramid structure - something I had found that was utilized effectively by Coach John Wooden. I had the idea of applying it to pool rattling inside my head for about a year. Finally, I sat down one day and put it on paper... then I did a diagram. Then I wrote a few paragraphs about each block in the structure. Two paragraphs eventually became 38 separate 20-page chapters.

Almost 15 years later, I have seen other instructors adopt this method and use the same/similar block building structures/pyramids in their material. Some have upgraded and improved upon the foundation of my original work, which is fine by me - IMO, if that if it helps students to improve - then it is good. Years ago, the "blocks and pyramid" was considered unconventional and "outside the box" thinking - today it is commonplace, widely accepted, and extremely effective.

What others may not know, is that we all communicate with each other to help each other become better teachers. We look at new techniques, training methods, etc, and we supply each other with feedback, evaluation, pros and cons. That is a vital part of what makes the best instructors the best instructors. To me, as long as the student win, we all win. For that reason, I will never hesitate to I refer students to best instructors on the planet - much like I did for Charlie in this instance.



Hats off- well choosen words!
 
David, you are definitely one of the more respected instructors in the game.

Now...if we could just get you into the SPF family....


;)

Steve
 
David, you are definitely one of the more respected instructors in the game.

Now...if we could just get you into the SPF family....


;)

Steve

I'll be in Dallas in a few weeks. I'll join the family if CJ joins.
:wink:
 
Okay I give.....what does SPF stand for??? I have been trying to figure this out for a while now.

Thanks in advance :)

SET-PAUSE-FINISH

Every stroke has these three elements. How well you do them is the quality of your personal stroke.

randyg
 
SET-PAUSE-FINISH

Every stroke has these three elements. How well you do them is the quality of your personal stroke.

randyg

Thanks. I knew it was something like that. Not to hyjack this thread or anything but what do you think about the SPPF? You know, like Allison Fischer and Buddy Hall, having the pause at the end of the back stroke? I've tinkered around with that a bit. I'm sure this has been discussed a thousand times. Maybe I'll start a new thread anyway.:scratchhead:

Thanks again,
Chris

thinking about some instruction here. Might give Mr. Lee a call???
 
S-P-F is just *the short version*. This was invented (the S-P-F thing itself) by Randy Goettlicher if i remember correctly.
And yes- the pause is what you ve shown up-
After i came back to pool and found this forum here, the first thing i saw was *S-P-F*. Since then it s my Mantra :)

And furthermore Chris: i m sure to have instructions with one of those guys from the S-P-F family is an investment for your pool-life. It will help you a ton!

lg
Ingo
 
Asking Randy what he thinks about SPF is like asking Bill Gates what he thinks about Windows. Randy is the father of the SPF family of instructors...hence the nickname 'Pops".

Steve
 
Thanks. I knew it was something like that. Not to hyjack this thread or anything but what do you think about the SPPF? You know, like Allison Fischer and Buddy Hall, having the pause at the end of the back stroke? I've tinkered around with that a bit. I'm sure this has been discussed a thousand times. Maybe I'll start a new thread anyway.:scratchhead:

Thanks again,
Chris

thinking about some instruction here. Might give Mr. Lee a call???



Chris

The PAUSE is at the end of the back stroke.
SET: alignment
PAUSE: transition
FINISH: natural follow through

Calling Scott Lee is brilliant.

randyg
 
Chris...As Randy said, there are three stops...at the CB, at the end of the backswing, and at the end of the forward stroke. It's how well you do them, rather than how long they are. I'll help you anytime you're ready. Give me a call...773-551-7473

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Thanks. I knew it was something like that. Not to hyjack this thread or anything but what do you think about the SPPF? You know, like Allison Fischer and Buddy Hall, having the pause at the end of the back stroke? I've tinkered around with that a bit. I'm sure this has been discussed a thousand times. Maybe I'll start a new thread anyway.:scratchhead:

Thanks again,
Chris

thinking about some instruction here. Might give Mr. Lee a call???
 
Thanks. I knew it was something like that. Not to hyjack this thread or anything but what do you think about the SPPF? You know, like Allison Fischer and Buddy Hall, having the pause at the end of the back stroke? I've tinkered around with that a bit. I'm sure this has been discussed a thousand times. Maybe I'll start a new thread anyway.:scratchhead:


Yes, you'll find it discussed a lot, but that doesn't mean it's particularly important.

I think you'll find many instructors are indifferent to whether you do deliberate Fisher/Hall pause at the backstroke --provided you do a slow, smooth transition.


thinking about some instruction here. Might give Mr. Lee a call???

Good idea.
 
Yes, you'll find it discussed a lot, but that doesn't mean it's particularly important.

I think you'll find many instructors are indifferent to whether you do deliberate Fisher/Hall pause at the backstroke --provided you do a slow, smooth transition.




Good idea.



Perfect answer.
randyg
 
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