Just got kicked out from tourney

[WoodyJ]

Sounds like a real piece of work.
At the tournament I mentioned earlier, the guy has everyone draw a poker chip out of a bag and writes the numbers down in order. Then the brackets are filled out in that exact order according to the numbers on the bracket. Easy and transparent.
Likely the guy you're talking about is paid very little, and feel entitled to create an advantage for himself. If the job paid anything decent, it would probably be harder for someone to be a jerk about it. idk

Yeah, back in the day I ran across a TD that ruled his own roost:

- Got a free pass to play plus a free drink
- If he wasn't in the top three spots he paid a fourth place if he got fourth
- Assigned players as he saw fit. When a friend came with me, we always had to play each other in the first round
- TD was usually on the week side of the bracket
- Until he learned how to play safeties, that was chicken$hit pool to him even after they adopted BIH rules

Nothing I liked better than playing a brutal safe, putting him in jail and listening to the commotion he caused. He eventually adapted and became good at safeties but it was funny while it lasted.

One saving grace was that the owner would ante up to play and if he won (often), he'd roll over his winnings to the next week's tournament and increase the pot for the winner. That increased the number of players the next week and we all played that much harder to take down first place. Smart owner and a real nice guy -- he more than made up what he rolled over the next week in increased food and drink sales and goodwill.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Unfortunately many tournaments were run like this back in the day.

I remember a tournament in CO where my buddy and I played. There were no brackets/byes and it was single elimination. My buddy was one of 3 undefeated players so they "drew" to see who got to play. My buddy was out and thought he'd play the winner. Nope. He got third. Never lost and got third.

Of course we tried everything to get the 1 and 2 players to gamble and they wouldn't.

Plain stupidity. Players need to see the bracket for the TD's sake, as much as for their own. If the matches are to be played in a timely manner, the tables can't sit unused.

I ran a foosball tourney once that had about sixty players. There were four or five events going at once. If the players hadn't known about when they would be playing, it would have been more chaotic than it was. Factor in that the top players would be in two or three events at once, I was a busy dude. The players helping and looking out for themselves and their friends made it work.

It probably didn't hurt that I had a reputation of forfeiting people who couldn't be found. I want a jerk about it, and the first person I ever had to forfeit was one of my best friends, so I believe that I demonstrated fairness.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

Yeah, back in the day I ran across a TD that ruled his own roost:

- Got a free pass to play plus a free drink
- If he wasn't in the top three spots he paid a fourth place if he got fourth
- Assigned players as he saw fit. When a friend came with me, we always had to play each other in the first round
- TD was usually on the week side of the bracket
- Until he learned how to play safeties, that was chicken$hit pool to him even after they adopted BIH rules

Nothing I liked better than playing a brutal safe, putting him in jail and listening to the commotion he caused. He eventually adapted and became good at safeties but it was funny while it lasted.

One saving grace was that the owner would ante up to play and if he won (often), he'd roll over his winnings to the next week's tournament and increase the pot for the winner. That increased the number of players the next week and we all played that much harder to take down first place. Smart owner and a real nice guy -- he more than made up what he rolled over the next week in increased food and drink sales and goodwill.

Great owner and dbag director. I agree with the free pass and a drink, if the venue wishes.

Everything else is bs. Draw should be random, unless it is seeded. If seeded, it needs to be based on reality.

 

[Inaction]

Great owner and dbag director. I agree with the free pass and a drink, if the venue wishes.

Everything else is bs. Draw should be random, unless it is seeded. If seeded, it needs to be based on reality.

Played in a tournament that had a calcutta. The brackets were filled out prior to the bidding, but not displayed. TD seeded the top 8 players per his estimate. No entry fee to watch the tournament, No streaming, so absolutely no reason to seed it.

I played my first match in a grocery store. Had to pause my game a couple times while a shopper went by.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Simple rule to avoid frustration after you find place, tournament director, owner rules etc., is not to you liking,

Do go back, if you do & continue to complain, its your problem.

Recall bar with 5 -6 tables advertising money added event one Saturday. Sign up was 1230, with start at 100pm. At 1250
I asked owner because of poor showing this thing going with money ad as advertised?

Owner said something about could not do as advertised, I went to car, drove home, never went back.

Guy I knew said they did have event with 1/4 of advertised add money, it started at 230p. I asked why did you stay, he just did?

Place closed as this was how they did business for crap.

 

[ShootingArts]

Simple rule to avoid frustration after you find place, tournament director, owner rules etc., is not to you liking,

Do go back, if you do & continue to complain, its your problem.

Recall bar with 5 -6 tables advertising money added event one Saturday. Sign up was 1230, with start at 100pm. At 1250
I asked owner because of poor showing this thing going with money ad as advertised?

Owner said something about could not do as advertised, I went to car, drove home, never went back.

Guy I knew said they did have event with 1/4 of advertised add money, it started at 230p. I asked why did you stay, he just did?

Place closed as this was how they did business for crap.

"Added money" is usually very closely tied to greens fees. After some big events failed to fill most now say based on X number of players, granted often in fine print!

Haven't thought about it in years, I raced one season at a dirt track that paid out a share of the gate. We never knew the purse, the owner didn't either until he counted attendance. We understood that everybody had to survive and no track, no place to play so we stood by him. The next year he hung in with set purses.

Hu

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

"Added money" is usually very closely tied to greens fees. After some big events failed to fill most now say based on X number of players, granted often in fine print!

Haven't thought about it in years, I raced one season at a dirt track that paid out a share of the gate. We never knew the purse, the owner didn't either until he counted attendance. We understood that everybody had to survive and no track, no place to play so we stood by him. The next year he hung in with set purses.

Hu

Well this was bar box event, think it was 50 cent bar box, Newspaper advertised $200.00 Guaranteed Add, no string like saying with 32 players etc.

So because this was not first fiasco, I just never went back,

Place closed, it was never mss as my things good. Writing was on wall, business closing soon.

 

[tomatoshooter]

I don't think it's unreasonable for money added to be tied to participation but they need to say so.

 

[ShootingArts]

Well this was bar box event, think it was 50 cent bar box, Newspaper advertised $200.00 Guaranteed Add, no string like saying with 32 players etc.

So because this was not first fiasco, I just never went back,

Place closed, it was never mss as my things good. Writing was on wall, business closing soon.

There are old threads on here about tournaments that had national fields with a smattering of international players that neglected to advertise the guarantee was with a full field. Some mentioned it on the sign in sheet, a bit late!

Most competitors that have been around awhile expect that when the promoter takes a bath the players will too. How many US Opens had late pay or late and reduced pay?

When I looked up into grandstands with big holes in the crowd I fully expected cut purses and was surprised when I got full pay. Some struggled with full pay for a few events before shutting down. Nobody gains when somebody trying to promote pool shuts down.

Hu

I don't think it's unreasonable for money added to be tied to participation but they need to say so.

Just on the subject of shoulda said so, many years ago there was a dirt track race gonna pay $100,000 for first! Huge adds in the magazines. I think there were two $50,000 to win races in the US, maybe that was the whole purse. Nothing else over $25,000 to win.

Long pull and I would need a full pit crew for that long race, maybe borrow some of my old asphalt pit crew buddies I used to work with. A couple thousand I didn't have and I didn't like my chances of cashing that big. Over two hundred cars show up, it was a hell of a race! They paid as advertised. I had wondered why the full payout wasn't advertised. $100,000 for first, $650 for second and it went down fast from there! Over two hundred very pissed off teams!!

The next year they held the race again, same purse format. $100,000 for first, a regular weekly purse schedule for the rest of the field. They posted the full purse structure in the ad's. They drew over three hundred teams! Wasn't anyone running for second place anyway.

A little honesty goes a long ways.

Hu

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Well I recall Glen The Real King Cobra was working on some big idea. Never made announcement, so I guess it fizzled. At least he tried.

 

[gregcantrall]

This...you gotta let the small tournaments lay fallow for a bit before coming back. I used to play a lot of small bar box tournaments back in the '80s, I'd show up late after everybody paid in, or I might kill it. I'd win, then move on for two or three weeks. Back then there were enough to rotate through without killing all the action. Sucks if you really like a particular tourney and you killed your action there. If you'd have laid off a bit, the director wouldn't have banned you. Usually if you dominate one, they put a bounty on you and let you keep playing.

I identify with this!
My MO included Salesman ship. Always be an ambassador to the game. Every tournament was different. If they have fun..... You are welcome back. It is recreation!

 

[tomatoshooter]

maybe borrow some of my old asphalt pit crew buddies

Not the asphalt guys!

Yeah, a gig first prize suggests the other prizes will be similarly large.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Worst experience with a tournament director was in actually a pretty big tournament playing races to 11. The tournament director also played in the tournament and I happened to be playing him one match.

During our play he was still involved in running the tournament at one point leaving the table for almost 15 minutes. I ended up winning the match and he was really pissed.

At the players meeting slow play was discussed because of the full field. The TD was the slowest player in the tournament.

 

[easy-e]

I'm always amused when I go to sign up for a B player tournament and they don't know me and wonder if I might be to good for them. I dream of the day they should turn me away.

That's funny! My best friend will travel around with me and he loves playing pool. Once he's established in fargo I think he'll be around a 500 speed. Because he is with me, he gets turned away from almost everything. You know the old catch 22 where "you can't play until you're established, but you can't get established until you play?" He's in that fun spot. He's playing in all of the open tournaments he can and getting tortured.

 

[cstonepool]

Tourney organizers texted me and asked me not to come back cause I won the tourney 17 times out of 21 according to them ( had no idea they kept track ). I know I'm supposed to feel honored for being kicked out for being too good but I'm pissed. The wording implied I was a piece of sht for stealing and they got tired of it. It wasn't a sweet message at all. First of all it's an amateur tourney. I'm under 700! 100% not a pro. Nowhere near pro speed actually. Nobody would even call me a semi-pro. It just happens to be tourney packed with weak players. Not my fault. I told the organizers to make it handicap they turned that down. The tournament director has never won his own tourney I think that's what this is about. Or is he right? Where is the cutoff? Is it valid for me to be pissed? Now I'm thinking about all these other small tourneys I win and worry I'm gonna get similar texts. And no I don't only do small tourneys I gamble with monsters ( I get weight! ) and enter larger tourneys where I have no chance. I donate plenty myself. Whose side are you on? I have two friends who've gotten banned from tourneys and they both said it's normal welcome to the club. First time this ever happened to me. It's not even about the money, I have friends at those tourneys it's like I'm getting removed from a social scene for working my ass off.

Only a clown wants to beat a weak field over and over.

 

[ShootingArts]

Not the asphalt guys!

Yeah, a gig first prize suggests the other prizes will be similarly large.

I were an asphalt guy, in the pits. Nothing like squatting down trying to control two forty pound tires and rims while trying to swap them out on a right front that was glowing bright orange! Air was prohibited most associations to keep costs down so an extended four way was the way to change tires. If I was lucky there was a spare set of lug nuts wired to my belt. If I was really living large they were glued in place on the rim so all I had to do was slam the tire on and zip it up. Adding to the entertainment, no speed limits on pit road yet so somebody almost brushing by my butt at eighty miles an hour wasn't uncommon. Races down pit road to try to get out first were common as dirt. The driver of the car I was crewing on was a threat to win so when the car hit the ground it had better be ready to roll! More pit crew members than drivers got killed, about a three or four to one ratio and racing was pretty hard on the drivers back then too.

Sometimes I handled tires on one corner, sometimes two in one stop. We had a racing jack. It was made out of steel but had a fast action, I think three or four pumps and the tires cleared the ground. Sometimes I was on the jack. A spot was marked for it to go under the car about two feet in front of the back tire. When the rubber was on I slammed the car down and twisting violently from the ankles up had the jack airborne coming out from under the car swinging towards the front of the car to gain a few inches on the coming tire. The tires were spinning looking for bite when the car hit the ground. Anything a moment out of sequence and the jack was gonna get ran over. Probably destroy a rear tire and I might have a jack handle slammed through me.

Besides the outlaw tracks I was licensed for Nascar, Mascar, Stars, Alstars, Cars, and at least three more associations. I was a well grown fifteen year old with a bit of hair and a beard, nobody asked how old I was. Good times!

Hu

 

[WilliamK]

Been there and done that, but I didn't lose any sleep over it.

Looking at it from the TD's side of things, if one person is seen to be winning every week then others will stop playing when they realise that they have no chance. When that starts happening the numbers drop and so does the prize pool until no-one bothers to enter.