Just read "New Break Rules A Success", WTH??
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You're not going to get anybody to call shot out of a break shot, not with the restriction of having two balls pass the side pockets. In case anyone hasn't noticed, 10 Ball is rapidly becoming more popular, even the way it was played at SBE. Joe Tucker said long ago that 10 Ball was the future.
Hell, why don't we just add some traffic and make it fun, as well as challenging......rack all 15 and let's play some rotation....make the 15 pay, just like the 9 in 9 ball.....instead of local tourneys doing races of 3-5, you can do races to 3 on the winners, races to 2 on the losers side.....big tourneys could do races of 7 and 5......
Alternate break, run-outs are tougher and takes away the ease of a break and run.....lets rack all 15 and have some fun
Alternate break, run-outs are tougher and takes away the ease of a break and run.....lets rack all 15 and have some fun
No disrespect taken. We are all just discussing this subject and adding our opinions.
Your point about the contradiction may be from your opinion that new customers will be enticed by rule changes because of the 'racking conflicts'. I don't believe the new customers would base their decision to play or not if they knew the difference. That's all.
IMO these suggested break rule changes would more likely benefit established players participation in weekly and regional events. (always IMO)
I do understand that there are 'conflicts' with racking in tournaments. I see them every week.
IMO I just don't think the rack tactics are reason enough to change these rules.
Changing rules is one option (seems like the rules change every year anyway), another would be to strictly and fairly enforce them.
My 'forever' wish is to have all ball fouls and referees at all tournament matches.
If you want to play in a tournament, learn the rules. ALL BALL FOULS.
I dream a lot too Roger..
Your point about the contradiction may be from your opinion that new customers will be enticed by rule changes because of the 'racking conflicts'. I don't believe the new customers would base their decision to play or not if they knew the difference. That's all.
IMO these suggested break rule changes would more likely benefit established players participation in weekly and regional events. (always IMO)
I do understand that there are 'conflicts' with racking in tournaments. I see them every week.
IMO I just don't think the rack tactics are reason enough to change these rules.
Changing rules is one option (seems like the rules change every year anyway), another would be to strictly and fairly enforce them.
My 'forever' wish is to have all ball fouls and referees at all tournament matches.
If you want to play in a tournament, learn the rules. ALL BALL FOULS.
I dream a lot too Roger..
Tom in Cincy...I don't mean to come on too strong. A lot is lost trying to communicate over the internet.
My point is not that it is a done deal. My point is as follows: In the end, what matters is what people will find palatable and what they will actually do. Some of the best, most reasonable, and well thought out ideas don't move forward because people just don't like it. There is the human side that outweighs all the logic in the world. That is what carries the day. My players paying to play pool and using these rules for a quarter million racks shows acceptance. This is a very big deal. This part of the work is already done.
My intention is to open up a lively discussion and prod people to try it (not to beat down every argument and opinion).
When I said "I did not put this out there to see what people think.", I should have added "I have already done that and we are beyond that. The response has been good and I encourage you to try it." Reading back over my comments, they are pushy. I will tell you that is not my attitude.
My experience is and I will say it again: The better the player, the more they like it.
My point is not that it is a done deal. My point is as follows: In the end, what matters is what people will find palatable and what they will actually do. Some of the best, most reasonable, and well thought out ideas don't move forward because people just don't like it. There is the human side that outweighs all the logic in the world. That is what carries the day. My players paying to play pool and using these rules for a quarter million racks shows acceptance. This is a very big deal. This part of the work is already done.
My intention is to open up a lively discussion and prod people to try it (not to beat down every argument and opinion).
When I said "I did not put this out there to see what people think.", I should have added "I have already done that and we are beyond that. The response has been good and I encourage you to try it." Reading back over my comments, they are pushy. I will tell you that is not my attitude.
My experience is and I will say it again: The better the player, the more they like it.
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If the rack is tight, the wing ball goes in more than 90% of the time. If the wing ball doesn't go in, the rack was loose and the breaker was cheated.
That's the short version of the story. It's mostly the Sardo rack that taught us this.
Have you tried the rules?
The three threads pertaining to the “No Conflict Racking and Breaking Rules” have around 3500 views and 120 replies. The discussion is fascinating. The most significant replies would be from AZ members who have taken the next step and tried the rules. There have been two posts from players who have implemented the concept.
http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html
iusedtoberich said: I made a player who was about to play the ghost and rack his own use this random process. It was super fast, and worked great. It really is easy.
Myk said: Paul, I like your breaking rules for 9 ball. I tried it with a friend, and although he was skeptical at first, he ended up liking it as well.
MY QUESTION: Have more AZ members tried the rules? Do the rules achieve what they set out to do? Please post your experience.
The three threads pertaining to the “No Conflict Racking and Breaking Rules” have around 3500 views and 120 replies. The discussion is fascinating. The most significant replies would be from AZ members who have taken the next step and tried the rules. There have been two posts from players who have implemented the concept.
http://www.goldcrownbilliardseriepa.com/noconflict.html
iusedtoberich said: I made a player who was about to play the ghost and rack his own use this random process. It was super fast, and worked great. It really is easy.
Myk said: Paul, I like your breaking rules for 9 ball. I tried it with a friend, and although he was skeptical at first, he ended up liking it as well.
MY QUESTION: Have more AZ members tried the rules? Do the rules achieve what they set out to do? Please post your experience.
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You are correct.
You are correct. It plays into the hands of the better player. Not only does the better player win more often with these rules, but at the same time, the matches are much closer. It takes an extra game or two on average to complete a match. The "no conflict rules" minimize the frequency of a "series of cascading events" that produce lopsided scores. An example of this would be when one player breaks dry four racks in a row and his opponent breaks balls in three racks in a row and in addition pockets one or two early 9's.
Not only is the conflict gone, the competition is better. Most importantly, it is more fun. Give it a shot. You will be suprised.
You are correct. It plays into the hands of the better player. Not only does the better player win more often with these rules, but at the same time, the matches are much closer. It takes an extra game or two on average to complete a match. The "no conflict rules" minimize the frequency of a "series of cascading events" that produce lopsided scores. An example of this would be when one player breaks dry four racks in a row and his opponent breaks balls in three racks in a row and in addition pockets one or two early 9's.
Not only is the conflict gone, the competition is better. Most importantly, it is more fun. Give it a shot. You will be suprised.