Just some cue ramblings....

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1) Titlists cut at the "A" joint. Maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the lure of a titlist the "full splice"? When you cut and ring the "A" joint essentially you just made a Brunswick shorty. Even Bushka spliced far back under the handle when he could. Just an observation.

2) Coring: Cored cues and I understand the concept and the reasons. But once you core a cue, you effectively have a "skinned" maple forearm. So when I see Brazilian rosewood on brazilian rosewood, or burl, etc.. if it's cored it is really misleading, IMHO at least on the stuff that is normally not cored.

3) Raffles, the good the bad and the ugly. The good, it's like the lottery and enables a cue to move that might not move at the asking price. The bad, if someone was to win a 500-800 dollar cue for 25 dollars he might be inclined to take 200 in a pinch. That could effectively drive the price of the cue makers cues DOWN, if enough of this happened. Or if it was reported as such. If someone sold a cuemakers cue for less than half retail, I would take notice. The ugly, when cuemakers start raffling their cues!!!

JV
 
1. What if he turned down the handle to 3/4 round and sleeved it?
2. Cant' argue that.
3. Band-aid solution to the glut of cues now.
4. You forgot cuemakers selling their cues on Ebay.
5. Cuemakers who undercut their own dealers. Give their dealers the same discount anyone can have walking in their shop. It happens more often than I think I knew.
 
1) Titlists cut at the "A" joint. Maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the lure of a titlist the "full splice"? When you cut and ring the "A" joint essentially you just made a Brunswick shorty. Even Bushka spliced far back under the handle when he could. Just an observation.

2) Coring: Cored cues and I understand the concept and the reasons. But once you core a cue, you effectively have a "skinned" maple forearm. So when I see Brazilian rosewood on brazilian rosewood, or burl, etc.. if it's cored it is really misleading, IMHO at least on the stuff that is normally not cored.

3) Raffles, the good the bad and the ugly. The good, it's like the lottery and enables a cue to move that might not move at the asking price. The bad, if someone was to win a 500-800 dollar cue for 25 dollars he might be inclined to take 200 in a pinch. That could effectively drive the price of the cue makers cues DOWN, if enough of this happened. Or if it was reported as such. If someone sold a cuemakers cue for less than half retail, I would take notice. The ugly, when cuemakers start raffling their cues!!!
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i agree with your ramblings.
 
JoeyInCali said:
1. What if he turned down the handle to 3/4 round and sleeved it?
2. Cant' argue that.
3. Band-aid solution to the glut of cues now.
4. You forgot cuemakers selling their cues on Ebay.
5. Cuemakers who undercut their own dealers. Give their dealers the same discount anyone can have walking in their shop. It happens more often than I think I knew.
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Joey,
1) I don't think that happens that often and then you may have to consider it number 2, almost cored.
4 and 5, yeah it happens. 5 happens more than I want to know and there maybe a couple of reasons for it. Cues aren't moving so dealers don't take as much on, that could put a cue maker in a bind and therefore he needs to also move wood. So should he offer a "dealer" discount? IMHO no, he should offer 5-10% off of his retail. I had this happen to me, and I haven't bought a cue from that cue maker for quite a long time even though I like the guy, principles are principles.

JV
 
classiccues said:
1) Titlists cut at the "A" joint. Maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the lure of a titlist the "full splice"? When you cut and ring the "A" joint essentially you just made a Brunswick shorty. Even Bushka spliced far back under the handle when he could. Just an observation.

2) Coring: Cored cues and I understand the concept and the reasons. But once you core a cue, you effectively have a "skinned" maple forearm. So when I see Brazilian rosewood on brazilian rosewood, or burl, etc.. if it's cored it is really misleading, IMHO at least on the stuff that is normally not cored.
JV
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1. Depends on what the blank looks like and what the customer wants,
Size, length.

2. Maybe 75 to 25 in favor of coring across the board today. Maple is not the only thing used, Maple, laminated maple, Laminated birch, Purple Heart, Bacote. Arguments on what's right or wrong but definitely different than yesterday.
 
you guys forgot:

7. 'newbie' posters writing cue reviews for hobbyists whose cues they are pimpin'

8. running a raffle for a cuemaker when he himself is one of the ticket purchasers and approving the entrants

9. CMs who exclusively use flat bottom non-structural points made to look like true spliced points

et al.

damn, this stuff is starting to sound like US politics... :mad: :rolleyes:
 
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Michael Webb said:
1. Depends on what the blank looks like and what the customer wants,
Size, length.

2. Maybe 75 to 25 in favor of coring across the board today. Maple is not the only thing used, Maple, laminated maple, Laminated birch, Purple Heart, Bacote. Arguments on what's right or wrong but definitely different than yesterday.
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1) True, but I am just talking more about the retention of the full splice aspect. If someone wants a ring, then by all means go ahead. BUT IMHO it is no longer a "true" titlist, that is my point.

2) Agreed, but I like yesterday. :) More importantly and to the point, a new designation may be in order.

JV
 
cueaddicts said:
you guys forgot:

7. 'newbie' posters writing cue reviews for hobbyists whose cues they are pimpin'

8. running a raffle for a cuemaker when he himself is one of the ticket purchasers and approving the entrants

et al.

damn, this stuff is starting to sound like US politics... :mad: :rolleyes:
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Sean,
In regards to your #7, I recently read where someone is buying (trying) out the newbie cue makers and said it was for the price. But if you buy 6, 7 unknowns you know you could have bought into a nice Mottey, or Webb, or whatever. But everyone needs a customer base, and a starting point. However it does contribute to the market as it is currently.

JV
 
classiccues said:
1) Titlists cut at the "A" joint. Maybe I am mistaken, but isn't the lure of a titlist the "full splice"? When you cut and ring the "A" joint essentially you just made a Brunswick shorty. Even Bushka spliced far back under the handle when he could. Just an observation.

2) Coring: Cored cues and I understand the concept and the reasons. But once you core a cue, you effectively have a "skinned" maple forearm. So when I see Brazilian rosewood on brazilian rosewood, or burl, etc.. if it's cored it is really misleading, IMHO at least on the stuff that is normally not cored.

3) Raffles, the good the bad and the ugly. The good, it's like the lottery and enables a cue to move that might not move at the asking price. The bad, if someone was to win a 500-800 dollar cue for 25 dollars he might be inclined to take 200 in a pinch. That could effectively drive the price of the cue makers cues DOWN, if enough of this happened. Or if it was reported as such. If someone sold a cuemakers cue for less than half retail, I would take notice. The ugly, when cuemakers start raffling their cues!!!

JV
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Jv, I also agree with your thoughts here, but with the raffles we will have to wait and see. But it is interesting, if I could buy a Scruggs, Mottey, Searing or Haily for $200 I would not pass it up or ever sell it at any price!!!!!;)
 
classiccues said:
1) True, but I am just talking more about the retention of the full splice aspect. If someone wants a ring, then by all means go ahead. BUT IMHO it is no longer a "true" titlist, that is my point.
JV
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Yes Sir, even if the handle is turned into a full length tenon, I would call it a tribute cue. (JMO) and definitely another can of worms.
 
classiccues said:
Sean,
In regards to your #7, I recently read where someone is buying (trying) out the newbie cue makers and said it was for the price. But if you buy 6, 7 unknowns you know you could have bought into a nice Mottey, or Webb, or whatever. But everyone needs a customer base, and a starting point. However it does contribute to the market as it is currently.

JV
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I once talked to a wise man (Sometimes anyway)who shared this thought with me, Cue making has to be earned, meaning you start off with maybe sneaky conversions then plain janes and so on, and so on, You earn what will be in your future and this will inspire you to push or close the envelope.
Ring any bells.
 
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snowmon34 said:
I see that you like to stir the pot...your not very smart are you....most guys that are successful in retail don't have opinions.....they ride the fence...so let me help you with 7 and 8..


7. Newbie ....great word...everytime you use it I'm sure your competition appreciates it...forums have revolving doors...embrace the new members....if you understand where I'm coming from...:rolleyes:

8. I'm not a big fan of Cuemaker A, but if your going to talk smack you better have your facts straight...The raffle wasn't run for the cuemaker...

9. How's your batch of cues coming along

10. Think before you post...
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but if your going to talk smack you better have your facts straight...The raffle wasn't run for the cuemaker...

I totally agree, the Raffle was not run by the Cue Maker, and the cue was certainly not owned by the Cue Maker. The gentleman running the Raffle was not being dishonest in any way to my knowledge. He was forced by the situation to make a decision, and myself and King have both set the entire situation aside, and in addition we came out of this as friends.
 
manwon said:
but if your going to talk smack you better have your facts straight...The raffle wasn't run for the cuemaker...

I totally agree, the Raffle was not run by the Cue Maker, and the cue was certainly not owned by the Cue Maker. The gentleman running the Raffle was not being dishonest in any way to my knowledge. He was forced by the situation to make a decision, and myself and King have both set the entire situation aside, and in addition we came out of this as friends.
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Craig, glad you corrected this. I was wrong in how that was phrased in my post here. Thank you and sorry to all for the confusion. Sometimes I go a little overboard with my own ramblings.... :( Sorry, Dale.

That being said, let's move a little back to Joe's topics.

One question I have about cored cues. What do you guys think the major driving factor is....consistency of hit, cues staying straight, or something else? Curious to hear opinions on this.
 
One question I have about cored cues. What do you guys think the major driving factor is....consistency of hit, cues staying straight, or something else? Curious to hear opinions on this
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i think the guys who core their forearms,core for straightness.
 
cueaddicts said:
One question I have about cored cues. What do you guys think the major driving factor is....consistency of hit, cues staying straight, or something else? Curious to hear opinions on this.
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Yes Sir, all the above,
Just because I core, I still season the wood,
Consistency of hit is a major factor in today's market place.
There is no such thing as the exact duplicate in hit but it's as close as I can get.
In today's overall market not just the cue market, I think the wood is being processed by the mills quicker to fill the supply and demand.
Modern technology for modern times.
 
Michael Webb said:
Yes Sir, all the above,
Just because I core, I still season the wood,
Consistency of hit is a major factor in today's market place.
There is no such thing as the exact duplicate in hit but it's as close as I can get.
In today's overall market not just the cue market, I think the wood is being processed by the mills quicker to fill the supply and demand.
Modern technology for modern times.
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Thanks for the insights guys. Was wondering how this aspect might play into things today. Guess times are different and the woods everyone are using are different too.
 
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