Justin Bergman

Kris_b1104 said:
You must be a special kind of person, aren't you? The info comes from your wins and losses in tournaments and/or challenge matches just as PoolPlaya has explained. Fargo rate doesn't just make stuff up and create numbers out of thin air, they are actually calculated and there's a method to the madness. Unlike the WPA, oh you placed 10th at the US Open? Here's 10 points, have a good day, with no consideration to how many games your opponent won from you, or how close the match was, all it cares about is if you won or lost.
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Yep I am ,, You had Shane several spots ahead of Ko ,,before the WPA so naturally you would pic Shane as the winner if they met , unless you knew Ko had already beat Shane in a longer set of 10 ball ,, information like that is valuable info and very important when handicapping matches


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This thread is about Bergman, but if you insist

one stroke said:
Yep I am ,, You had Shane several spots ahead of Ko ,,before the WPA so naturally you would pic Shane as the winner if they met , unless you knew Ko had already beat Shane in a longer set of 10 ball ,, information like that is valuable info and very important when handicapping matches


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Mike, are those numbers for Ko 62 SVB 65 correct?
It looks like Ko 69 SVB 64 counting the matches below. I may have missed something

2010 World 8 ball Group match 4-8
2011 Guiness World Series of Pool 10 ball Final 10-4
2013 US Open 8 ball 6-8
2014 CSI Challenge 10ball 21-17
2014 CSI 10 ball Invitational Group match 9-7
2014 CSI 8 ball Invitational Semifinal 6-9
2015 W9B Final 13-11

Total Ko 69 SVB 64
Add to this US Open 10-Ball 2010 Ko 2 SVB 9

Total: Ko 71 SVB 73
 
robsnotes4u said:
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Originally Posted by spartan View Post
Mike, are those numbers for Ko 62 SVB 65 correct?
It looks like Ko 69 SVB 64 counting the matches below. I may have missed something

2010 World 8 ball Group match 4-8
2011 Guiness World Series of Pool 10 ball Final 10-4
2013 US Open 8 ball 6-8
2014 CSI Challenge 10ball 21-17
2014 CSI 10 ball Invitational Group match 9-7
2014 CSI 8 ball Invitational Semifinal 6-9
2015 W9B Final 13-11

Total Ko 69 SVB 64
Add to this US Open 10-Ball 2010 Ko 2 SVB 9

Total: Ko 71 SVB 73
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Old news that's my point but thanks ,, Shane will still be ranked higher and I'll know Ko has beat him 3 out of last 4 and the other one was the let Shane back in the Turny when Ko thought he was getting a by
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Not exactly

one stroke said:
Old news but thanks , that's my point but thanks ,, Shane will still be ranked higher and I'll know Ko has beat him 3 out of last 4 and the other one was the let Shane back in the Turny when Ko thought he was getting a by
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You need to look at all games they have played against all people. Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but Shane may still have a higher performance rating than Ko, which doesn't necessarily say he is ranked higher.

Who had a better performance during the tourney as far as wins vs loses and against who?

Shane
11-3 Kaplan
11-5 Diaz
11-5 Chang
11-1 vs Dennis
11-1 vs lil Ko
11-13 vs Ko

Ko
11-7 Campbell
11-4 vs Biado
11-9 vs Kiamco
11-6 vs Morra
11-10 vs Wu
13-11 vs Shane

Big difference in performance, wouldn't you agree
 
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robsnotes4u said:
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Originally Posted by spartan View Post
Mike, are those numbers for Ko 62 SVB 65 correct?
It looks like Ko 69 SVB 64 counting the matches below. I may have missed something

2010 World 8 ball Group match 4-8
2011 Guiness World Series of Pool 10 ball Final 10-4
2013 US Open 8 ball 6-8
2014 CSI Challenge 10ball 21-17
2014 CSI 10 ball Invitational Group match 9-7
2014 CSI 8 ball Invitational Semifinal 6-9
2015 W9B Final 13-11

Total Ko 69 SVB 64
Add to this US Open 10-Ball 2010 Ko 2 SVB 9

Total: Ko 71 SVB 73
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Thanks for update

robsnotes4u said:
You need to look at all games they have played against all people. Mike can correct me if I am wrong, but Shane may still have a higher performance rating than Ko, which doesn't necessarily say he is ranked higher.

Who had a better performance during the tourney as far as wins vs loses and against who?

Shane
11-3 Kaplan
11-5 Diaz
11-5 Chang
11-1 vs Dennis
11-1 vs lil Ko
11-13 vs Ko

Ko
11-7 Campbell
11-4 vs Biado
11-9 vs Kiamco
11-6 vs Morra
11-10 vs Wu
13-11 vs Shane

Big difference in performance, wouldn't you agree
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Depends on what criteria you use to measure "top performance"
If you go on number of racks win against top players then it is Shane
If you go on number of matches won against top players then it is Ko cos he beat 5 top players (including Shane) while Shane beat 4
If you go on Accustats TPA for all matches , it will be Shane
If you go on title which is really what matters, then of cos Ko

If you ask any of top players whose position they would rather be in , unanimously all would say Ko. Most would rather have tight close matches rather than thrashing opponents but end up winning the big title. And they will take the luck that pool gods give. None of them will be stupid to say ,"Pool God, I decline the good luck you are giving"

Not siding with any player - just telling reality of the game as it is
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Thanks for update



Depends on what criteria you use to measure "top performance"
If you go on number of racks win against top players then it is Shane
If you go on number of matches won against top players then it is Ko cos he beat 5 top players (including Shane) while Shane beat 4
If you go on Accustats TPA for all matches , it will be Shane
If you go on title which is really what matters, then of cos Ko

If you ask any of top players whose position they would rather be in , unanimously all would say Ko. Most would rather have tight close matches rather than thrashing opponents but end up winning the big title. And they will take the luck that pool gods give. None of them will be stupid to say ,"Pool God, I decline the good luck you are giving"

Not siding with any player - just telling reality of the game as it is
:)
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The update was from Mike:smile:
 
Just saw this message on Facebook.

"Justin bergman will play Jayson Shaw, John Morra, Mike Dechaine or any American other than SVB a set of 10 ball in St Louis for 10k. Time to test out the big guns. Tired of all the woofing and will not tolerate it, if you want to play message me!" -- Jason Sword
 
Rhea said:
Just saw this message on Facebook.

"Justin bergman will play Jayson Shaw, John Morra, Mike Dechaine or any American other than SVB a set of 10 ball in St Louis for 10k. Time to test out the big guns. Tired of all the woofing and will not tolerate it, if you want to play message me!" -- Jason Sword
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Im sure he can head over to Toronto or NE and get a game



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one stroke said:
The problem with that system is you don't know where the info comes from or how recent it is ,,


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Mark--I agree on not knowing where it comes from directly, however punch some names your familiar with into it and you might be surprised. I am guessing that alot of the APT events are in there based on the names I queried. I have put a bunch of folks into it and the order is fairly representative of my perceived thoughts to their game.

http://fairmatch.fargorate.com/
 
Knowing Mike and Steve personally I couldn't hand pick to better individuals to do this. I gave the luxury of visiting with them for 5 years about the rating system and watching thousands of games using it. Sometimes you just need to trust. Mark and Ozzy did


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85K in winnings for Bergman starting w the memphis open which doesn't seem that long ago.
 
OLD NO 9 said:
I've supported Mark but if he is that foolish this will and should be his last year as captain.
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Why would you be against a fair competition for the available slots???

Your comment above says that PERSONAL bias and team chemistry should trump work ethic, determination & hard work???

I just can not believe throwing a player a life line after they lost a spot on one of the life boats is "ethical" and "appropriate".

KD
 
Rhea said:
Top 24 US players by performance:


Shane Van Boening USA 824
Mike Dechaine USA 798
Justin Bergman USA 787
Johnny Archer USA 784
Rodney Morris USA 783
Shawn Putnam USA 771
Earl Strickland USA 770
Shane McMinn USA 766 <--- #8
Dennis Hatch USA 766
Skyler Woodward USA 765
Johnathan Pinegar USA 763
Corey Deuel USA 762
Billy J Thorpe USA 761
Larry Nevel Jr USA 760
Oscar Dominguez USA 760
Charlie Williams USA 759
Jason Kirkwood USA 757
Billy Lee Bailey USA 757
John Fields USA 756
Charlie Bryant USA 755
Shane Winters USA 755
Jeremy Sossei USA 754
Josh Roberts USA 754
Justin Hall USA 753 <---- #24
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this system is "NOT" used for mosconi cup consideration based on the announcements made public.

A great system but its use of historical data going back as much as "10 years" gives a very distorted picture and changes players position drastically. Compare your list versus the money list for this year and see if the order is consistent???

All Players Money List 2015

# M/W SPORT COUNTRY NAME US $
1 M CAN PAGULAYAN Alex 131,548
2 M GBR APPLETON Darren 130,078
3 M USA BERGMAN Justin 99,990
4 M USA VAN BOENING Shane 93,900
5 M TPE KO Pin-Yi 72,000
6 W CHN BAI Ge 66,200
7 M PHI ORCOLLO Dennis 64,104
8 M CAN MORRA John 62,025
9 W CHN YANG Fan 58,507
10 M USA DEUEL Corey 52,470
11 M GBR SELBY Mark 49,000
12 M AUT OUSCHAN Albin 45,358
13 M USA WOODWARD Skyler 44,930
14 M USA FROST Scott 38,945
15 W TPE LIN Yuan-Chun 38,500
15 M CHN LIU Haitao 38,500
17 M PHI KIAMCO Warren 37,950
18 W KOR KIM Ga-Young 37,800
19 M GBR SHAW Jayson 35,510
20 M USA DOMINGUEZ Oscar 35,285

KD
 
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