Justin "The Putz" Bergman

incessant chalking, up and down on the shot stroking in air I would rather spend my time having my fillings done by Lawrence Olivier. Why are so many pool players so animated cant they just get on with it and play the shot?
 
I like free speech too, like if you are a gold member here.

Poor thread title. Very demeaning.

As far as slow play in televised golf, they often switch to another golfer to speed it up.
 
I like free speech too, like if you are a gold member here.

Poor thread title. Very demeaning.

As far as slow play in televised golf, they often switch to another golfer to speed it up.

There's rules for slow play in golf if you fall one hole behind the group in front of you your put on the clock


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There's rules for slow play in golf if you fall one hole behind the group in front of you your put on the clock


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Just put everyone on a clock to begin with. I see no reason why a professional can't handle that. And that's usually when natural Talent Rises to the top.

This is still a f*****-up thread
 
Justin is more deliberate, but I wouldn't place him among the slowest players. But, yes, faster players are certainly better for the spectator. My favorite match is Bigtruck's barbox match between Woodward and Bowman in, I believe, 2014. Just top-notch play and fast. Woodward went on to play someone else in that tournament and it took well over double the time to get through 29 games that it did for him and Bowman. Almost 1 1/2 hours longer because of that slower player...simply brutal and unnecessary. I think all professional matches should have a time clock.
 
Thats strange, I never considered Bergman a slow player. Maybe hes a different kind of slow where he takes time at the table but he is always doing something to complete his goal. The slow players I hate watching are the ones who just stand and look, like maybe someone should go shake then to make sure they are still awake.

Yeah, I never thought that Bergman was a slow player. I always loved his game and his style of playing. It is very unique, and awesome (in my opinion).
 
I don't have anything against Justin but the challenge for a guy like him who is so methodical is the shot clock in the Mosconi Cup.

I do not think it is any challenge for him, and far from it in my opinion. Have you seen him play much 9 ball over the years? He is a pretty fast player actually (not fast like Shaw, but not slow, in my opinion).
 
I second that but he is a great player though... just not fun to watch at alllllll

Bergman is one of my most favorite players to watch (on a very short list). Pool in general is very boring to watch, but there are a few players that I really do enjoy watching, and Bergman is one of them. Alex Pagulayan is another. Jayson Shaw is another of my favorites.
 
you buy the ppv with the understanding that this a gambling match and not an exhibition.

unless someone is going to step-up and pay their bills for them, the players are going to do what the players need to do.
 
Do you think great players that are slow play great because they are slow or in spite of it?

Like I said...unnecessary.

But Bergman is not that slow of a player. If he is ever being slow on a shot, then it is for a very good reason (and it is necessary in his mind). You just do not understand his way of thinking. He has a unique style of playing, and it works great for him, but I do not think he is a slow player (at least no slower then Johnny Archer for example). Archer is probably much slower actually.
 
In golf they are playing different courses all of which are 100% unique and they are " shooting " off of the ground lol - not off of a precision machined piece of slate which are all basically identical.

Great point. Golf is probably 1,000 times more difficult then pool. I imagine those greens are very difficult to read, seeing that not even the top pro's read them perfectly every time.
 
I have no idea why more pro players don't come on AZB. Johnnyt

They have better things to do with their time, like either practicing, or trying to match up to get a game. The pro's do not need to come to a forum like this. They already know the type of tip that they like, and the cue that they like, and probably have no interest in anything else that is discussed on here.
 
You can single me out. I'm a big boy. After all I am singling out all of the dreadfully slow players out there. Not only Justin, who by the way, is an amazing player. I'm not taking that away from him.

Do some research on the subject, and you'll find there are various reasons that a player might play slow. Not limited too

1. New to the game/Uncertain about the shot
2. Lack of confidence
3. Sharking tactic

Do any of those sound like Bergman to you?

No, none of the above.
 
Oh, and I think you can totally justify asking a player to speed up in certain situations.

If these guys were gambling in a back room with no cameras, then they can take 30 minutes to shoot a shot for all I care. But when the cameras are rolling and people are paying to watch and hopefully be entertained, well then I think you have to say something. In my opinion , there are only two types of spectators when it comes to slow players

1. Those who can't stand them. (me)
2. Those who can tolerate them.

But I don't think anyone purposefully purchases a stream like this in the hopes one or both players takes 2 minutes on every shot.

If there is $40,000 on the line, then why not give him a break for taking a few minutes on each shot? In 1 pocket, it only takes 1 very small mistake to lose the game (to a strong 1 pocket player). Anyone buying a 1 pocket stream should understand this.
 
What did you expect with 20k on the line and him playing someone as good as Danny? Its what he does for a living, he should take as much time as he wants.

Yeah, and 20k is not a small amount of money to most pro pool players. Let them take as much time as they need to, to figure out the best shot to shoot (and be understanding about however long that might take).
 
Everyone has the right to their opinion and the "Putz", thats not quite as offensive as

some things I've heard around. People are soooo sensitive anymore,wow. It's only

"locker room" talk. Why do people get so butt hurt over what someone else might say

or think.

1 pocket is just a game that is brutal slow anyway,I wouldn't pay 2 bux to watch a week

of it but some people really like it. If you don't like a game that's known to be slow, you

just don't watch it is all.

JB is not a slow player (usually) when he plays a game that he plays all the time

He isn't known to be a 1 pocket specia;ist but he is a great player,so he can overcome

that by taking his time to make sure that he shoots the correct shot, Expect nothing to

change. JMO.
 
What did you expect with 20k on the line and him playing someone as good as Danny? Its what he does for a living, he should take as much time as he wants.

Except this isn't some backroom match. This is PPV, and being marketed as entertainment. Anyone that says they are entertained by someone taking 2 minutes on every shot is lying.
 
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Regardless of the time Justin chooses the correct shots and executes. And as far as pool being entertainment watching Danny smith do his thing making 2-3-4 rail banks and going 10 n out is pretty goddamn entertaining I mean the guy can play incredible one pocket when he's on. His high gear in one pocket is just as high if not higher than anyone on the planet and I'm glad to watch him play. And u gotta respect Bergman for stepping out of his comfort zone and playing a 20k $ match against a very formidable opponent In a game he absolutely doesn't specallize in so when he's getting hammered and trapped and taking his time I wouldn't expect anything else considering his respect for the game.

Would u rather watch Bergman take his time or earl take second and rake the balls when he's pissed aka every rack? I've watched both and don't even have action on this match and still appreciate and am enjoying it more than the 4pocket match with earl. Just a comparison and some food for thought
 
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