K.Josey petes with timeless timber shafts

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diablo

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hi all!

been a while since my last post. i like to ask anyone of you who owned and shot with a Keith Josey sneaky pete for a while not test hits. and i like to know how his timeless timber shafts play as compared to his standard rock hard maple shafts if you have played with these for sometime?
i also like to get your feedback how his sneaky pete butt thickness in the grip area compared to the mike bender sneaky pete butt taper. i played with a friend's mike bender sneaky and the butt feels really nice just thin enough that it fits my hands perfectly. i have average filipino sized hands and the taper of the bender sneaky butt is just perfect. i am in the market for a josey sneaky since that is all i can afford. i want to get his basic cue but with a timeless timber shaft its way off my budget. i was wondering if the butts of his petes are thick coz in the pictures it seems thick. i have a problem with sneaky petes coz if the butt is thick i tend to hold the cue and move my grip forward thus shortening my bridge and there is too much cue at the back of my grip which knocks the balance out of my stroke. are timeless timber shafts that great of a hit compard to standard rock maple shafts? i can ask keith about all of these but i guess i want to get your opinions coz i dont want to be bias. thnaks guys really appreciate your replies.


Diablo
 
I don't know about his butt diameters, skinny I'd say like every one elses these days. Fast cloth, lighter cues, smaller butts. Timeless timber is over priced in my opinion. The wood is neat with a back story and everthing but 225 is pretty high. I use a heavy curly maple shaft from the 70s and I liked the Timeless timber look and feel, somewhat darker and heavier but I wouldn't double the price of my cue for one.

Andy
 
DawgAndy said:
I don't know about his butt diameters, skinny I'd say like every one elses these days. Fast cloth, lighter cues, smaller butts. Timeless timber is over priced in my opinion. The wood is neat with a back story and everthing but 225 is pretty high. I use a heavy curly maple shaft from the 70s and I liked the Timeless timber look and feel, somewhat darker and heavier but I wouldn't double the price of my cue for one.

Andy
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I've got a couple josey shafts and a timeless timber shaft. I like them all. I would say the josey shafts are stiff, and the timeless timber shaft is stiffer.

mike page
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Timeless Timber?

mikepage said:
I've got a couple josey shafts and a timeless timber shaft. I like them all. I would say the josey shafts are stiff, and the timeless timber shaft is stiffer.

mike page
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Hey Guys---- Pls. define "Timeless Timber". Is it a Josey brand name? Not a laminate right? What do timeless timber shafts typicaly cost? What age is timeless?:confused:

Is it related to the recovered 130 year old sunken maple logs from Ontario-Michigan? Had a Diveney break cue with the old old recovered underwater maple used for fine musical instruments, high end veneer, cabinetry, pool cue shafts etc . A few cuemakers offer it: really dense, heavy, stiff, pretty shafts for an upgrade/charge. Think Diveney offers it for $150 upgrade. Hits Heavy.
 
Timeless Timber sells those waterlogged maple.
Very overrated imo. They deflect funny.
The ones I saw that came from Timeless, you have to sort through them too as they don't know how to cut them for cuemakers.
 
lake salvege shafts (timeless timber)

Jigger said:
Hey Guys---- Pls. define "Timeless Timber". Is it a Josey brand name? Not a laminate right? What do timeless timber shafts typicaly cost? What age is timeless?:confused:

Is it related to the recovered 130 year old sunken maple logs from Ontario-Michigan? Had a Diveney break cue with the old old recovered underwater maple used for fine musical instruments, high end veneer, cabinetry, pool cue shafts etc . A few cuemakers offer it: really dense, heavy, stiff, pretty shafts for an upgrade/charge. Think Diveney offers it for $150 upgrade. Hits Heavy.
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I still have a few left. Pat
 
Jigger said:
Hey Guys---- Pls. define "Timeless Timber". Is it a Josey brand name? Not a laminate right? What do timeless timber shafts typicaly cost? What age is timeless?:confused:

Is it related to the recovered 130 year old sunken maple logs from Ontario-Michigan? Had a Diveney break cue with the old old recovered underwater maple used for fine musical instruments, high end veneer, cabinetry, pool cue shafts etc . A few cuemakers offer it: really dense, heavy, stiff, pretty shafts for an upgrade/charge. Think Diveney offers it for $150 upgrade. Hits Heavy.
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You got it. Timeless Timber is a name of a particular company that's fished this wood out of Lake Superior. Lake Superior is particularly deep and particularly cold. The shaft I have is a really nice piece of wood. I don't know whether that's *because* it was in the lake or in spite of it. Mine has a squirt pivot point of 17-18 inches, similar to my other Josey shafts. It's notably darker in color and is denser. Makes for a hit I like a lot.

Of course the whole idea has the potential of being gimicky and over hyped. On the other hand, the wood comes from a time when the maple in the northern areas grew more slowly because the non-played-out forests were denser and individual trees didn't get as much sunlight.

My opinion is that in the hands of the right person doing the picking, there a possibility of getting some real nice chunks of wood. But in the hands of someone not so picky, there's the possibility of a lot of crap being passed around.

Josey, imo, is one of those picky people. I trust his judgment. I also know he doesn'y have much left and I don't know whether he'll be able to get anymore.

I spoke to Jim Buss a while ago. He said he found a lot of the submerged stuff he had unacceptable, but I also think he really liked the good pieces of wood.

mike page
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Josey & old underwater shafts

Thanks for the clarification Mike & Joey.... Gotcha, "Timless Timber" is the salvage company who sells Timeless Timber.

The Diveney break/jump shaft I had was a light creamy tan color with tight grain and must have weighed over 5 1/2 oz easily. Never felt comfortable controling the Qball breaking with the ferrule tip. It did hit Rock Hard tho, should of kept it. Can't feel it would beat the higher graded, quality maple shaft for a playing cue.

Sorry I'm not much help with Josey's cues. Liked the only one I test hit, I remember it had a fairly slender handle.

>>>>Hi Mr. Pat/Butterfly didn't realize you were P.D. till now. Nice ta meet cha...:p Any of your prized butterfly Sneaky Petes avail. now?

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My cuemaker, Samsara, bought an entire log of this stuff, a few years ago. They've cut some up, and made a few shafts, although I don't own one...nice looking wood, imo.

Scott Lee
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Old Growth Shaft

I've got a Klein SP with a regular and old growth shaft. The old growth is definitely stiffer if that's what you're looking for in a shaft. Otherwise, any good cuemaker can give you a stiff shaft out of regular wood by changing their taper.
 
thanks guys and i also tried a bluegrass!

thank you all for the inputs. now that we have discussed the taper and how the taper affects squirt, pivot point etc. just to share my experience. i also tried a friend's richard harris plain jane. the taper was really nice. i liked the hit also and the stiffness. very little deflection and this is a one peice standard shaft which is not old growth. the power and action im lookin gfor is there. i tried it on slower cloths too and its just a dream to play with. it has a triangle tip with a fibre pad. problem is i dont know how to find the pivot point of this harris standard wood shaft so i can have my soon to be bought shaft tapered the same way. with the harris shaft i have an idea how good the shaft feels to me and the hit which i like. thats why its my basis for the taper i want on my shaft. but since i cant afford a harris cue, i should opt for lesser priced custom shaft and just have it tapered like the harris ,only if i know how to find the pivot point which Mike Page here just mentioned.
i guess you guys are right. stiffness can be achieved thru varying the taper and the shaft doesnt necessarily have to be old growth. i e-mailed mr. josey and he gave me a price for a basic cue and which i have to save for and besides i am in a hurry to get a cue and i cant wait for months. i guess i have to find someone with a ready made cue or shaft that i can get. and have him taper it like the harris taper. thank you all for your replies!---Diablo
 
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