Kamui chalk for sale

[Masayoshi]

Whatever a person's cue costs, its useful life might easily equate to having used hundreds of cubes of chalk... Not a good analogy. It'll certainly be interesting to see the market dictate the future of this product. I have little doubt that, beyond limited initial curiosity, the message will be pretty definitive.

All the best to you & your country in recovery efforts, though.
Wish better days for you.

I think its a perfect analogy. You wouldn't put Ikea drapery in the White House, even though the White House will live through many sets of drapery. Why pay top dollar for something only to skimp on costs for something that is trivial in price compared to the main component? It would be like Rolls-Royce building a super luxury car and then looking for the cheapest possible rims they could find for it.

 

[real bartram]

Charging $25 has nothing to do with being greedy. Nobody is holding a gun to pool player's heads telling them to buy Kamui chalk. The fact that it is sold out until May means that it was probably underpriced. Based on how effective consumers find the chalk to be, the chalk will go down, stay the same, or even go up in price.

probably underpriced
i dont care who yu are thats funny stuff there.
lol

 

[Masayoshi]

probably underpriced
i dont care who yu are thats funny stuff there.
lol

Its simple economics. If something sells out that fast, it should probably have sold at a higher price so as to equalize supply with demand. To put it in gambling terms; if you offered the 7 out to someone and they accept it without a second thought, you probably could have gotten a game giving less weight. Same principle.

Let's just put it this way. In a competitive market (which pool chalk seems to be), when the cost of production of a product is essentially zero (pool chalk), price is determined by the demand for that product. Kamui chalk, regardless of how effective it is, has a high demand, therefore it gets a high price. It has nothing to do with greed, if the producers can sell it at that price (which has been the case) they should sell as much as they can at that price.

 

[flips]

it's chalk.

 

[JolietJames]

Something tells me that if they produced thousands of cubes of chalk they would not be sold out right now. Maybe they only made 100 cubes to test the market? You can be sure they didn't make as many as Masters does in a typical day or they'd be tripping over the crap in their warehouses. I can whittle one pool cue with a pocket knife, sell it to my mom, and I'm sold out. It doesn't necessarily mean I can make another and sell it at a higher price, or that there is a demand for another one anywhere in the world.

 

[dardusm]

For the guys who say its ridiculous to spend $25 on chalk: How much did your cue cost?

I think its a perfect analogy. You wouldn't put Ikea drapery in the White House, even though the White House will live through many sets of drapery. Why pay top dollar for something only to skimp on costs for something that is trivial in price compared to the main component? It would be like Rolls-Royce building a super luxury car and then looking for the cheapest possible rims they could find for it.

I don't think it is a perfect analogy. A cue can appreciate over time depending on the cuemaker. At least the cue will have some salvage value. The chalk will probably not increase in value unless it becomes a scarcity.

I actually wouldn't mind trying the chalk. If it would help prevent even one miscue over a tournament it would be worth it. I tried blue diamond and still had an occasional miscue. My biggest problem is that I have a tendency to leave the chalk at the table and my vanity won't let me wear a chalk holder :grin:

 

[real bartram]

Its simple economics. If something sells out that fast, it should probably have sold at a higher price so as to equalize supply with demand. To put it in gambling terms; if you offered the 7 out to someone and they accept it without a second thought, you probably could have gotten a game giving less weight. Same principle.

Let's just put it this way. In a competitive market (which pool chalk seems to be), when the cost of production of a product is essentially zero (pool chalk), price is determined by the demand for that product. Kamui chalk, regardless of how effective it is, has a high demand, therefore it gets a high price. It has nothing to do with greed, if the producers can sell it at that price (which has been the case) they should sell as much as they can at that price.

you must own part of this chalk?
anyways i dont know if the chalk is good or
not.
but at 25 a piece i will not find out.
talk to me in a year and see if they are sold out at 25 a cube.

 

[Quesports]

Marketing, it's in the chalk!

Just because it's expensive does not mean it is better. I cannot imagine how much the mark up is on this chalk, given that the main ingredient is chalk. Comparing chalk to a pool cue is a stretch as well. There are very few pieces of chalk that can be used on a daily basis that will last for very long. Of course you can play with cues for years on a daily basis and even resell them when you are done.. I do give them a great score for marketing though, perhaps the next batch will be a limited edition!!

 

[NewStroke]

perhaps the next batch will be a limited edition!!

We laugh, but this may be true.

 

[donuteric]

Just because all the recent heated arguments over the chalk, I've decided to purchase one. I need to sort this sh*t out for myself.

 

[Masayoshi]

you must own part of this chalk?
anyways i dont know if the chalk is good or
not.
but at 25 a piece i will not find out.
talk to me in a year and see if they are sold out at 25 a cube.

No, not at all, I'm just saying that bashing a product because it is priced high is pretty hypocritical unless you live like a caveman. You're right, unless it is deemed superior to other chalk, it will likely go down in price from 25 in a year. That's also part of economics.

 

[jalapus logan]

I don't know about this chalk, but I have a stock of cone hand talc that I will sell for $599.95 each + shipping. Don't worry, it's special talc.

 

[jdxprs]

For the guys who say its ridiculous to spend $25 on chalk: How much did your cue cost?

when someone invents some chalk that will last as long as my scruggs, i'll pay $25 for it.

 

[supergreenman]

Its simple economics. If something sells out that fast, it should probably have sold at a higher price so as to equalize supply with demand. To put it in gambling terms; if you offered the 7 out to someone and they accept it without a second thought, you probably could have gotten a game giving less weight. Same principle.

Let's just put it this way. In a competitive market (which pool chalk seems to be), when the cost of production of a product is essentially zero (pool chalk), price is determined by the demand for that product. Kamui chalk, regardless of how effective it is, has a high demand, therefore it gets a high price. It has nothing to do with greed, if the producers can sell it at that price (which has been the case) they should sell as much as they can at that price.

This is true unless you create an artificial demand. This is best shown by the housing market in the US, which is part of the reason the world is in such a mess right now.

As for the chalk, for a company to come out with a new chalk, advertize the crap out of it and then say they're out of stock, that would be creating an artificial demand for the product.

They're giving the illusion that people are snatching it off the shelves as fast as they can put it on the shelves. In addition to the supposed lack of supply, they're attaching thier name to the product.

While thier tips might not be for me (or are they? I have one on one of my cues right now) they are a high quality tip that performs reliably. The company is trying to transfer the good name of thier tips over to thier new product, this also is adds artificially to the demand.

So, respectfully, I submit you can't use a supply and demand arguement for the price of this chalk. It doesn't pass the smell test.

have a great day

 

[Masayoshi]

This is true unless you create an artificial demand. This is best shown by the housing market in the US, which is part of the reason the world is in such a mess right now.

As chalk, for a company to come out with a new chalk, advertize the crap out of it and then say they're out of stock, that would be creating an artificial demand for the product.

They're giving the illusion that people are snatching it off the shelves as fast as they can put it on the shelves. In addition to the supposed lack of supply, they're attaching thier name to the product.

While thier tips might not be for me (or are they? I have one on one of my cues right now) they are a high quality tip that performs reliably. The company is trying to transfer the good name of thier tips over to thier new product, this also is adds artificially to the demand.

So, respectfully, I submit you can't use a supply and demand arguement for the price of this chalk. It doesn't pass the smell test.

have a great day

The housing market was something completely different. The "artificial" demand as you put it was created because of people being dishonest and greedy when offering loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them long term. This dishonesty is what led to the problems.

Kamui, however, has said nothing dishonest about their product. This situation is more akin to luxury goods such as Prada bags. Yea, your Prada bag was made in a sweat shop for about $5, people pay hundreds if not thousands for it because of the name. There is nothing artificial about the demand for a name.

 

[sk8ordie]

This is true unless you create an artificial demand. This is best shown by the housing market in the US, which is part of the reason the world is in such a mess right now.

As for the chalk, for a company to come out with a new chalk, advertize the crap out of it and then say they're out of stock, that would be creating an artificial demand for the product.

They're giving the illusion that people are snatching it off the shelves as fast as they can put it on the shelves. In addition to the supposed lack of supply, they're attaching thier name to the product.

While thier tips might not be for me (or are they? I have one on one of my cues right now) they are a high quality tip that performs reliably. The company is trying to transfer the good name of thier tips over to thier new product, this also is adds artificially to the demand.

So, respectfully, I submit you can't use a supply and demand arguement for the price of this chalk. It doesn't pass the smell test.

have a great day

BINGO! That is exactly what I was thinking. Either they only made a 1000 cubes and sold out or they sold 10 and posted, "SOLD OUT" so all the nay sayers start thinking, hey, if they sold out, it must be worth it. I'm waiting for more reviews from everyday AZers on here with there honest comments. I don't trust the Kamui videos from the SBE or JB's weird & scary video. I hope it has great reviews but, not for me. Masters and BD do just great.

 

[sk8ordie]

when someone invents some chalk that will last as long as my scruggs, i'll pay $25 for it.

That's a good analogy!

 

[Fatboy]

Its not for everybody, remember?

There are players that are using Ginas, Searing, Gus and Barry Szams, Showmans, Black Boars, Tascarellas, I know I am missing many other great makers too.

What were the owners using up until now? Don't tell me they were using
mere Master Chalk on these Master Pieces.
The horror of it all.

If you've visited Tony S Black Boar site, you'll know what a all around discerning person Tony is. He lives life to the fullest, uses the best material in his cues and uses literally the best of everything money can buy to enjoy, well, his life to the fullest. Wine, vodka, cigars, olive oil, pasta, coffee, you name it. Tony doesn't do anything half assed. If Tony thought for one moment that his cues needed superior chalk to make them play to the fullest capabilities, believe me, he would have already invented it. Think about it, Tony is the Worlds Most Interesting Man.

Just a thought.

Take some baking soda, grind white Master Chalk to a powder, mix it well with KY jelly and Chanel #5 and you have Kamui Chalk.
Its so smooth and it smells pretty too.

Tony and I are alot alike, I have spent many hours in his shop, the best of the best-or nothing at all. Having said that I use $1 tips and old Master chalk. On a $20,000 cue everyday for the past 2.5 years(I took a little time off recently). The only time I miscue is when I hit the ball bad, real bad, so bad no chalk would prevent the miscue. Or if I let the tip get glazed over and its not holding any chalk. I cant imagine what the difference is between Masters and Kamui chalk. I know the sandy gritty K-Mart chalk is junk and dosent work, but how to improve on Master chalk is inconceivable to me. That other chalk thats 3-4 $ each I dosent work any better, just makes my hands sticky is all.

Its a marketing gaff, I'd blow the $$ to see it out of curiosity, because $25 isnt gonna change my life style. I think its BS,

Hell I might go on the road and steal it as sell it used on ebay, that might be the best road hustle to come along in years, since all the action is gone. :thumbup:

 

[Jeff G. Martin]

I received my chalk yesterday. I think after shipping it was $27.98. Yes, it's a ridiculous amount to pay for a single cube of chalk. But a shitty fake leather 2x4 case does the same thing as my Justis, and a $50 sneaky pete looks the same as my $500 Jacoby sneaky pete, and I could shoot the same with a Budweiser cue with my Jacoby Edge Hybrid. All the while, my $25 piece of Kamui chalk performs better than my $.25 piece of Master....flag or no flag.

To answer some members' questions/concerns:

- It does not leave white streaks on the table.

- Contrary to its looks, it's blue when applied. Not dark blue like Master, a bit lighter, but much much darker than it looks.

- Because of the texture, you don't have the gritty residue that falls off. The way I chalk, this residue falls on my hands and turns them blue. If this chalk (Kamui or another brand that starts to make this type) takes over the market, you can expect your felt/balls/shaft/hands to stay cleaner because of the chalk not falling off.

- It WILL last longer than other chalk if you use it properly. I chalked once and shot in 60-75 balls. Towards the end, I was still applying the same amount of english to my shots.

- It will not stop miscues, but it WILL cut down on them. You literally have to hit beyond the point where it’s no longer possible to push a round object forward.

- Of course it’s going to break apart if the sides get thin.

- You don't need a week with this chalk to decide if it's different than another brand. You need 10 balls, maybe less.

I'm not going to tell you that it changed my game or that it will change yours, but I will say that this isn't your conventional piece of abrasive chalk. It really is incredible. Is it worth $25? I don't know....if I could use the entire piece before I lost it; I’d say it definitely is. If a couple months from now my piece is used up or it's sitting at the bottom of a table, and it's STILL $25, I will buy another piece.

 

[TheThaiger]

I received my chalk yesterday. I think after shipping it was $27.98. Yes, it's a ridiculous amount to pay for a single cube of chalk. But a shitty fake leather 2x4 case does the same thing as my Justis, and a $50 sneaky pete looks the same as my $500 Jacoby sneaky pete, and I could shoot the same with a Budweiser cue with my Jacoby Edge Hybrid. All the while, my $25 piece of Kamui chalk performs better than my $.25 piece of Master....flag or no flag.

To answer some members' questions/concerns:

- It does not leave white streaks on the table.

- Contrary to its looks, it's blue when applied. Not dark blue like Master, a bit lighter, but much much darker than it looks.

- Because of the texture, you don't have the gritty residue that falls off. The way I chalk, this residue falls on my hands and turns them blue. If this chalk (Kamui or another brand that starts to make this type) takes over the market, you can expect your felt/balls/shaft/hands to stay cleaner because of the chalk not falling off.

- It WILL last longer than other chalk if you use it properly. I chalked once and shot in 60-75 balls. Towards the end, I was still applying the same amount of english to my shots.

- It will not stop miscues, but it WILL cut down on them. You literally have to hit beyond the point where it’s no longer possible to push a round object forward.

- Of course it’s going to break apart if the sides get thin.

- You don't need a week with this chalk to decide if it's different than another brand. You need 10 balls, maybe less.

I'm not going to tell you that it changed my game or that it will change yours, but I will say that this isn't your conventional piece of abrasive chalk. It really is incredible. Is it worth $25? I don't know....if I could use the entire piece before I lost it; I’d say it definitely is. If a couple months from now my piece is used up or it's sitting at the bottom of a table, and it's STILL $25, I will buy another piece.

Thanks for that. One question - how do you know when to rechalk?