I have to admit that after miscuing on the very first shot I would have done a retake.
This is one of those counter-intuitive things in life though, the fact he did not retake is clear evidence of his objectiveness.
I have to admit that after miscuing on the very first shot I would have done a retake.
This is one of those counter-intuitive things in life though, the fact he did not retake is clear evidence of his objectiveness.
One thing I truly appreciate about John is that he does not ever do a take two when it comes to his videos. I was truly on the edge of my seat for the video as I've been really considering becoming a Kamui chalk guy.
Thanks for making it.
It seemed ironic that you kept insisting this wasn't a commercial for Kamui and that you aren't affiliated when in the end it seemed like you should have been saying that you weren't a Master's chalk rep.
I have to admit that after miscuing on the very first shot I would have done a retake. As bad as you made Kamui chalk look though I could tell that it was because you started with the Kamui while you weren't warmed up.
You really should have gotten warmed up before starting the testing so that the last chalk test wouldn't have had such a huge advantage. Of course I can understand in that heat with limited time why it was rushed.
But thanks a ton for the video. I've been anxious to see it and now I'm anxious to see SoftShot's. I have a hunch he will be posting one.
the chalk either produces more spin than other chalk for a given tip offset OR allows you to hit farther from center.. or it doesn't
I'm in the "it doesn't" camp.
if it somehow spins the ball more than anything up until now it must make new shots possible that were not possible before now. or it does not spin the ball more.. it's not rocket science
embarrassing you in front of everyone is all the compensation I need..
the only table I have to work with is a 7' with broken in mercury ultra
probably the most common conditions on the planet you shouldn't have trouble finding one..
lets see your video
One thing I truly appreciate about John is that he does not ever do a take two when it comes to his videos. I was truly on the edge of my seat for the video as I've been really considering becoming a Kamui chalk guy.
Thanks for making it.
It seemed ironic that you kept insisting this wasn't a commercial for Kamui and that you aren't affiliated when in the end it seemed like you should have been saying that you weren't a Master's chalk rep.
I have to admit that after miscuing on the very first shot I would have done a retake. As bad as you made Kamui chalk look though I could tell that it was because you started with the Kamui while you weren't warmed up.
You really should have gotten warmed up before starting the testing so that the last chalk test wouldn't have had such a huge advantage. Of course I can understand in that heat with limited time why it was rushed.
But thanks a ton for the video. I've been anxious to see it and now I'm anxious to see SoftShot's. I have a hunch he will be posting one.
Yes, John, thank you for making the video. I can tell towards the end of the video that the summer time is not over for you. I did find another Kamui chalk video that was uncut, to show consistency... one shot repeated. The only thing this guy did not do is switch over to Masters and do the same stroke... Maybe he did in another video? But I am eager to share with everyone that you all should do a simple test and not "rush" your shots. Watch this video. I appreciate all of your feedback, and I assure all of you that we "Kamui" are never satisfied with the products we produce.
Thank you for being our customer,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI8hcyoCz1U&NR=1
With all due respect I was doing extreme spin shots, draw with left and right spin, follow with left and right, which should be what Kamui Chalk claims to help with.
Don't bother with the marketingspeak with me John. I like the chalk, it's nice, it's interesting. It doesn't really "perform" THAT much better than Masters in my opinion. It's cleaner. It "feels" nicer to play with. It "feels" like I can get more spin with it even though that didn't really show up in the video clearly.
The point I wanted to make is to show a test for myself and others how it compares with no bias, no bullshit, I PAID the prices $28 a cube and extra for shipping. It's mine to do with what I want to do with it.
Instead of telling me what test I should be doing and showing me a video of a guy doing 7 minutes of basic draw shots why don't YOU "Kamui" do some videos to back up your claims?
These are your claims: my comments in red
• Not abrasive to your tip (I don't know what this really means and why it matters)
• Coats evenly (So does Masters)
• Decreases miscuing (does it? - Proof????)
• Stays on your tip longer (I agree with this)
• Increases friction on the cue ball (How does it do this? Proof?)
KAMUI Chalk consists of much finer particles than standard chalk designed to maximize friction and offer a larger sweet spot to generate more spin to the cue ball. Reducing slippage decreases deflection, giving the player a more accurate aim when english is applied. MAP $27.95
Again proof? You claim that it reduces deflection and that's a TALL claim. Predator and OB Shafts and Meucci and many others claim to reduce deflection through precise engineering of multiple laminated shafts with endmass reducing techniques. Their products cost hundreds of dollars. Your chalk doesn't reduce the endmass which is a known factor in deflection reduction, with the converse being that increasing endmass increases deflection. So how exactly does your chalk reduce deflection and do you have any proof of this claim or does it just sound good in the ad copy?
Look I have nothing against innovation. I respect Hiraoka's vision here. But frankly the price is out of line when there is no hard proof to back up the claims. I went to Predator and I saw their machine do it's thing. I saw the proof with my own eyes that their shafts work as claimed at least as far as deflection is concerned. That's why I believe them and others when they want to sell $200 shafts. I have no problem whatsoever selling those shafts because I know they work. Whether they "feel" good is another topic but they certainly work as claimed.
I want you to PROVE your claims. Enough with the bullshit marketingspeak and simply prove it on video with simple tests that anyone can follow and duplicate. Surely you can build some sort of simple testing apparatus and show us all that simply using your chalk reduces deflection measurably. Or drop the claim.
Regarding comparison to Masters chalk. Listen, you don't really want to go there. You really don't. For EVER Master's has been used to play HIGH LEVEL pool, trick shots, masse' contests, you name it. It works to allow the ball to be spun as much as humanly possibly by using a pool cue. NOW if you do want to go there then I again I suggest you show some proof. Go get Semih Sayginer and Mike Massey and let them compare it on video. IF they say that they can get more spin using Kamui then it's the truth because no one gets more spin with 'regular' chalk than these two. (ok Jamison, you get more spin but sorry they are more famous)
I compared the chalk to Master's on the spur of the moment just because I felt like doing it to see what would happen. No bias. No agenda. Simply because I am curious. Obviously my "testing" is not conclusive, it's amateurish, rushed, unstructured, etc.... but it's not biased and not intended to be negatively oriented towards Kamui. Masters is proven, it works and makes no claims.
I suggest that if you want an UNBIASED, comprehensive and fair review then you will send your chalk to http://www.billiardreview.net/
But first I'd do some internal reflection to be sure that your product matches your claims.
Hi John,
All I was trying to do is thank you for your efforts and I was suggesting a consistent shot...
AND I was NOT "going there" with Masters. Since you were comparing Masters is why I "suggested"... that simple.
You are correct about coming out with data "proof". We are working on something that is easy to comprehend in regards to data.
The actual "proof" is in the experience of the player with the product.
Our first objective was to get it out to the public once a version was satisfactory (#98) we are still working on this project and we are not finished. You may call it "marketingspeak" but this is our value in our business. We are always looking at improving our product, we will never stop.
As for your comments in red these are my answers below:
• Not abrasive to your tip (I don't know what this really means and why it matters)
If your standard chalk is abrasive.(whatever brand it may be).. How fast will your tip wear away? If you grind down your layered tip at a fast rate where is the consistency in the flex of the tip... The closer the tip gets to the ferrule, the less flex the tip will have. = an inconsistency. Reducing the friction allows the player to enjoy the tip longer which then allows the player to grow their game, having a more consistent performance from the tip.
• Coats evenly (So does Masters)
True, but I think we made a mistake in this bullet point because it goes along with "stays on tip longer". What we mean by this is the "fine" particulate of the Kamui compound fits into the porosity of any leather tip consistently. So you get an appearance of a nice even coating and it stays on the tip longer because of this virtue.
• Decreases miscuing (does it? - Proof????)
In time we will show this.
• Stays on your tip longer (I agree with this)
• Increases friction on the cue ball (How does it do this? Proof?)
In time we will show this.
The link below is to our page where you can download the .pdf
http://www.kamuibrand.com/billiard-en/?page_id=1611
This .pdf is a simple illustration of our findings with this compound.(more data to come in the future)
I too was a skeptic in the beginning. But the more time I spend with the chalk the more I understand and feel the difference.
John, again, thank you for your time and your patience with us as we continue to roll out this "still new" product.
... Kamui Chalk is not the only thing that can add spin. ...
Hi John,
Thank you for your reply to my reply. Good products take time to develop and at some point it is ready for the market. But it would be wrong for a company not to improve on what they have already produced. Over the past several years you produced thousand of cases and have improved on them every year. Right? I am sure you seek feedback from your customers and improve your product from their suggestions. This is one of the actions we take to be a great tip maker. And I am sure you do this as well.
Apple does this, Ford, Chevrolet, Hewlett Packard, Sony, Panasonic, JBCASES, and Kamui.
2 years of research, in the background of the photo is over 100 different compounds that we tested and never sold to our customers... In fact, a couple versions we gave out for feedback, Like we did with #98 before the colorful packaging.
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Please be patient with us as we are all working hard to make better products for our customers. We are here for the long run, and we appreciate our supporting customers, and how we show our appreciation back is to improve on our products.