keilwood for suckers

whammo57

whammo57

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  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
 
whammo57 said:
  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
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You really this dense? Wow. Get a hold of Predator and let them explain that you CAN have a stiff, lo-deflection shaft. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. Kielwood shafts are slightly less deflection than regular maple due to their lighter weight. Of course you won't believe that either.
 
whammo57 said:
  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
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Not true . End mass is what matters more .

As far as harmonics, that is really debatable . Do you think a wood that does not absorb and release moisture as quick as regular kilned maple would have better or worse harmonics ?
I can tell you that kielwood is now being used by guitar maker .
Kielwoods are generally lighter than regular kilned maple . But, they also come in different grades .
There are at least 3 big suppliers . PLEASE DO NOT MESSAGE ME . Do your own search .
They do them a little differently.
I've bought from two big suppliers and the colors are not even the same . One is much darker .
I've bought a lot more of the lighter colored kind .

Regular maple or kielwood can easily be made to have a lot less deflection.
All you need to do is to drill some .280" to .300" hole by 5-6 inches deep and use a lightweight ferrule.
 
My understanding is that Kielwood is just torrified maple. It’s a common practice used on woods for musical instruments. Any harmonic stabilization mumbo jumbo is stupid marketing BS. But hitting one does have a different sound. The torrification process is basically heating the wood up in a kiln. I forget the details. Either it is at a temp below burning or it is in a vaccuum so as not to ignite. Maybe both. But it ends up burning out all moisture and many sugars from the wood giving it that signature color. That also lowers its mass (including end mass) to give it some low deflection characteristics. You’ll likely see a vault plate to not weigh the tip end with a big plastic ferrule. Cuemakers using this material will likely be purchasing torrified blanks and not doing it themselves. A perk of this process is that the stock is likely to be consistent in density and moisture. Which might not always be easy to say you can get for traditional maple sources.
 
Ah, PJ. Since you're on this thread, can you once again explain how deflection works? To me Ball and shaft have to average out no matter the end mass. IOW if the ball stays true then the tip deflects?
 
straightline said:
Ah, PJ. Since you're on this thread, can you once again explain how deflection works? To me Ball and shaft have to average out no matter the end mass. IOW if the ball stays true then the tip deflects?
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Simple physics. Both the shaft and cue ball deflect . The lighter the end of the shaft, the more it will deflect off the cue ball instead of the cue ball deflecting off it .
 
If your stroke is straight and you play enough with the same type shaft- no matter which one you choose- it won't matter :)

For a newbie, yes, maybe start them out with the most technically advanced equipment if you really think they will get super serious about the game. No reason to ignore advancements in available materials or technology.

For me, I just love showing up with a plain old solid maple shaft, it is just in my bones for this game, if I give that up, I give up the game. Passion has its particulars - mine is rooted in tradition as far as cues are concerned.
 
middleofnowhere said:
I never liked heavy shafts. It was my biggest knock on Szamboti. His shafts were always well over 4 ounces

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Interesting, Steve Mizerak always voiced the opinion that he wanted a minimum 4 ounce shaft for straight pool, but less than 4 ounces for rotation games. He felt that the heavier shaft kept the cue ball more in line on shorter shots when playing mostly half table for 14.1. I know a lot of old timers had two different weight maple shafts - one for 14.1 and one for rotation games.

Szamboti and Balabushka cues were more favored by many top 14.1 guys. Back in the day, I recall a lot of 13MM + shafts being used.
 
mikemosconi said:
Interesting, Steve Mizerak always voiced the opinion that he wanted a minimum 4 ounce shaft for straight pool, but less than 4 ounces for rotation games. He felt that the heavier shaft kept the cue ball more in line on shorter shots when playing mostly half table for 14.1. I know a lot of old timers had two different weight maple shafts - one for 14.1 and one for rotation games.
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mikemosconi said:
Szamboti and Balabushka cues were more favored by many top 14.1 guys. Back in the day, I recall a lot of 13MM + shafts being used.
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That's interesting--that explains the theory behind Greenleaf's 14mm tip.
 
whammo57 said:
  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
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It means they sound good. Stiffness has nothing to do with deflection, only feel.
 
I am still having a way hard time with that advertisement: harmonic stabilization for straightness. And that registered mark next to keilwood. Silliness at the crossroads
 
whammo57 said:
  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
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🤣🤣🤣 silly post
 
I'll take my kielwood medium-well. And hold the ferrule. I want my shaft al-la-black boar. Later when I am trying to tweak it out, i'll add a 1/2 ounce
clear plexiglass ferrule. :devilish:
 
JoeyInCali said:
Simple physics. Both the shaft and cue ball deflect . The lighter the end of the shaft, the more it will deflect off the cue ball instead of the cue ball deflecting off it .
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So far so good except, what about the stiffer shaft? If you have a tight bridge, you can have no ferrule but the tip aint gonna budge. Right?
 
whammo57 said:
  • I found this on the internet

  • Kielwood® is the new generation of pool cue wood, specifically created for low deflection. It is a dark, hard rock maple that is harmonically stabilized for straightness. With traditional pie shaped shafts, each slice of the pie is susceptible to having a different reaction. Kielwood® is the solution to a continually straight and stable shaft.
oh wow!!!! I didn't realize that these shafts are "HARMONICALLY STABILIZED"........ just what does that techno babble mean and how does one accomplish that.................. they are more rigid but have less deflection??????? the two are mutually exclusive............. read a little and you will find that stiffer shafts always deflect the cue ball more............................. just more gimmicks for suckers that think more money for more expensive things will replace time and perseverance and practice.... practice .... practice
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I think you need to remove the diagonal line from your avatar.
 
fwiw
i have a hsu kielwood shaft that i like alot
it transfers energy well and is reasonably low deflection
if i wasnt playing with a revo i would consider going back to it as my player
 
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