hi
Ordered Josey, 4 months waiting.
Ordered Josey, 4 months waiting.
Keith Josey or Bob Frey - Sneaky Pete
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hi
Some pictures from antoher web site:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/DevilGodYeo/JoseyCue/josey1.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/DevilGodYeo/JoseyCue/butt.jpg
Some pictures from antoher web site:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/DevilGodYeo/JoseyCue/josey1.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/DevilGodYeo/JoseyCue/butt.jpg
all i can tell you is a guy i play with recently had josey make him a sneaky. the first one came cracked and repaired with glue. he sent it back to josey, which he replaced. but the 2nd one, the points were nowhere near to being even. i would say the shortest point to the longest point there was a 2inch difference. it hits alright but looks like @@#$. i would go frey is i got 1 or the other.
sorry subdude - something just doesn't jive here:
hi subdude,
let's just do the numbers (some posts eliminated due to non committal to point); comparisons:
frey:
posts: 5, 7, 12: total: 3
josey:
posts: 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13, 17, 18, 19,, 20: total 12
first of all, nothing against you, but somehow i just have a hard time to believe what you have stated, entirely.
secondly, the mathematical possibility that 80% of respondents are fools; have poor workmanship in cues including points with height differences of 2 inches, and worse received a cracked/repaired cue from josey is just incredulous.
re: observational preferential understanding for you imho: you have a mc cue, ties therefore with ts and therefore frey and ergo: you knock josey.
i will one day buy a frey. i think he makes a really nice cue.
i will before that day buy another josey. and i will tell you why. he just makes one of the best cues i have ever owned and still own - just a little too heavy for me - my error). his workmanship is amongst the best i have ever known and i have some really high dollar cues to compare with. and really beautiful to boot.
besides that he is a fine gentleman, and maybe this doesn't mean much to you, but he to my knowledge is a very religious man and who imho would never in anyway ever ever even consider shipping a substandard cue. i have a little knowledge also, that he has gone above and beyond to help others in this world.
i find your comments offensive to me. and i would guess to others like me, even just as local as those who answered here on this thread - and most of all to keith and sherri.
i'm just an upfront guy and wanted you to know. and of course, in this day and age lets see the pictures and if i am wrong i will be forced to change my mind. and an apology will follow.
smokey
subdude1974 said:
hi subdude,
let's just do the numbers (some posts eliminated due to non committal to point); comparisons:
frey:
posts: 5, 7, 12: total: 3
josey:
posts: 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 13, 17, 18, 19,, 20: total 12
first of all, nothing against you, but somehow i just have a hard time to believe what you have stated, entirely.
secondly, the mathematical possibility that 80% of respondents are fools; have poor workmanship in cues including points with height differences of 2 inches, and worse received a cracked/repaired cue from josey is just incredulous.
re: observational preferential understanding for you imho: you have a mc cue, ties therefore with ts and therefore frey and ergo: you knock josey.
i will one day buy a frey. i think he makes a really nice cue.
i will before that day buy another josey. and i will tell you why. he just makes one of the best cues i have ever owned and still own - just a little too heavy for me - my error). his workmanship is amongst the best i have ever known and i have some really high dollar cues to compare with. and really beautiful to boot.
besides that he is a fine gentleman, and maybe this doesn't mean much to you, but he to my knowledge is a very religious man and who imho would never in anyway ever ever even consider shipping a substandard cue. i have a little knowledge also, that he has gone above and beyond to help others in this world.
i find your comments offensive to me. and i would guess to others like me, even just as local as those who answered here on this thread - and most of all to keith and sherri.
i'm just an upfront guy and wanted you to know. and of course, in this day and age lets see the pictures and if i am wrong i will be forced to change my mind. and an apology will follow.
smokey
my choice
Having used them both, I have to pick JOSEY on this one. While Bob Frey makes one hell of a cue also, I feel the playability on a Josey is just a step above. I'm not sure what it is, or was about the Josey, compared to my Frey, but it just played a little better to me. I am sure Frey and Scruggs use similar woods and what not, but in my opinion, the Josey was superior.
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Having used them both, I have to pick JOSEY on this one. While Bob Frey makes one hell of a cue also, I feel the playability on a Josey is just a step above. I'm not sure what it is, or was about the Josey, compared to my Frey, but it just played a little better to me. I am sure Frey and Scruggs use similar woods and what not, but in my opinion, the Josey was superior.
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I too find it difficult to believe that this is the case. The level of integrity in the Josey shop is very high. For them to ship out a cue in that shape is just unfathomable to me. The Josey's pay attention to every little detail, with regards to both their cues and their shop....it just doesn't add up. :nono:
Lisa
Lisa
I also find it hard to believe that Josey shipped a cracked cue. I have owned 2 Josey's and my points on the one are not exactly the same height, but I am not to worried about it. The play on the cue is just to good.
Some kid offered me $450 for me cue that was bought for around $300. I told the kid if he likes the play of the cue so much to get one made. After I told him he could own the same cue for $300 he still told me he would give me $450 for it.
But yes the Josey's are great people to deal with for sure.
Some kid offered me $450 for me cue that was bought for around $300. I told the kid if he likes the play of the cue so much to get one made. After I told him he could own the same cue for $300 he still told me he would give me $450 for it.
But yes the Josey's are great people to deal with for sure.
Jigger said:
I really like the hit of my Frey but like Jigger mentioned, I can also feel the points. While it doesn't effect the playability, it is still disappointing. Other than that, I highly recommend Frey.
Ryan
ok. i will just have to post the pics of the 2nd cue. will get them this weekend. then we will see what jives.smokey said:
I knew this would stir some things up but I see what I see. All the Joseys I had seen in the past, I would have agreed with you all. But with the 2 cues I have seen made for this guy, I have done a complete 180. Another friend of mine has a 3500 Josey that is sweet. He has had it for a few years and it does play good. I will post the pics of the other cue and you can go from there.
I also want to clarify something. This has nothing to do with Frey having to use to work with Tim and Mike. I was given a choice of 2 cuemakers. I picked the other. I personally have never hit with a Frey but have seen them and they seem to be well made. If I was given the option to pick any cuemaker for a sneaky, I am not sure who I would pick. Although I hear his sneakies are awesome.(Frey) If my comments offend you, not my intention. Just making my observations public.
And I find the comment that I would knock another cuemaker to do it, I find offensive. Check out my threads or posts. I have never bashed or called a cuemaker out on some bad work. Even though I have seen some god awefully ugly cues(as everyone has). This person asked for advice and I gave it. That is all. I have no motivation to bash a cuemaker for the sake of doing it. I would be a real shit if that is what I did.
I also want to clarify something. This has nothing to do with Frey having to use to work with Tim and Mike. I was given a choice of 2 cuemakers. I picked the other. I personally have never hit with a Frey but have seen them and they seem to be well made. If I was given the option to pick any cuemaker for a sneaky, I am not sure who I would pick. Although I hear his sneakies are awesome.(Frey) If my comments offend you, not my intention. Just making my observations public.
And I find the comment that I would knock another cuemaker to do it, I find offensive. Check out my threads or posts. I have never bashed or called a cuemaker out on some bad work. Even though I have seen some god awefully ugly cues(as everyone has). This person asked for advice and I gave it. That is all. I have no motivation to bash a cuemaker for the sake of doing it. I would be a real shit if that is what I did.
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Well for you doubters, here they are. Made in 2008. You cant make out the 8 unless you have it in your hands and look at it close. Just as I said. Pictures are stronger than words. Even if this is a low end "sneaky", this is as bad as I have seen. In the last picture, 1 finger is on the longest point adn the other is on the shortest. I also forgot to mention, I can feel the points. Enjoy. I will be waiting on my apology.
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Review of my Josey...
Here's a short review of my Josey cue -- copy & pasted off my website:
Since I never cared for wrapped handles, especially linen wraps, all my cues are "naked" (except the Longoni with its leather strips). The same nudity goes for my Keith Josey 'Sneaky Pete'.
Although Keith Josey advertises his cues as having "very little deflection" I'm sorry to say that this is a bit disingenuous (or as Bob Jewett so eloquently articulated after squirt-testing it; "utter bullshit"). In fact, next to my phenolic break cue, I have never played with a squirtier cue than this one. Sure, it has a solid hit, but as soon as you apply some english, the deflection is so massive that it's not even funny.
So what to do? Well hell, I decided to just toss the original shaft and get a Josey Predator 314 instead (an option that he offers). And this combo is in fact closer to his advertisement; "All of my cues are well known for their solid hit with very little deflection." But since I had my inklings that this cue could become the sturdiest cue that I've ever had, I also got an OB-1 shaft for it... which turned out to be an even better match!
The above ad-slogan was also a reason why I got the cue in the first place -- I wanted a firm hitting 9-ball banger in the best American 'Sneaky Pete' tradition. However, the cue's intricate and beautiful CNC work doesn't make it very "sneaky" -- actually, I never understood why Keith would label this piece of art as a 'Sneaky Pete'.
The cue has a 3 sets inlayed cocobolo along with stunning birdseye maple. It came with a stiff 13mm pro-taper maple shaft that boots a radial pin joint. Together it weighs 19.7 ounces and is very butt heavy (although Keith claims that his cues are "forward balanced"). As mentioned above, currently my playing shaft for this cue is a Predator 314 with a padded Talisman tip (water buffalo hide). The cue has a quite firm and somewhat harsh "PLANK" sound when shooting, oppose to the Longoni's soft "THUD" sound.
Years ago, before I got the Longoni, I contacted Keith Josey to build me a custom cue. But since he didn't wanna do my spec, I ended up buying this second hander instead (originally purchased directly from him at the Valley Forge billiards convention in 2005).
-- peer
Here's a short review of my Josey cue -- copy & pasted off my website:
Since I never cared for wrapped handles, especially linen wraps, all my cues are "naked" (except the Longoni with its leather strips). The same nudity goes for my Keith Josey 'Sneaky Pete'.
Although Keith Josey advertises his cues as having "very little deflection" I'm sorry to say that this is a bit disingenuous (or as Bob Jewett so eloquently articulated after squirt-testing it; "utter bullshit"). In fact, next to my phenolic break cue, I have never played with a squirtier cue than this one. Sure, it has a solid hit, but as soon as you apply some english, the deflection is so massive that it's not even funny.
So what to do? Well hell, I decided to just toss the original shaft and get a Josey Predator 314 instead (an option that he offers). And this combo is in fact closer to his advertisement; "All of my cues are well known for their solid hit with very little deflection." But since I had my inklings that this cue could become the sturdiest cue that I've ever had, I also got an OB-1 shaft for it... which turned out to be an even better match!
The above ad-slogan was also a reason why I got the cue in the first place -- I wanted a firm hitting 9-ball banger in the best American 'Sneaky Pete' tradition. However, the cue's intricate and beautiful CNC work doesn't make it very "sneaky" -- actually, I never understood why Keith would label this piece of art as a 'Sneaky Pete'.
The cue has a 3 sets inlayed cocobolo along with stunning birdseye maple. It came with a stiff 13mm pro-taper maple shaft that boots a radial pin joint. Together it weighs 19.7 ounces and is very butt heavy (although Keith claims that his cues are "forward balanced"). As mentioned above, currently my playing shaft for this cue is a Predator 314 with a padded Talisman tip (water buffalo hide). The cue has a quite firm and somewhat harsh "PLANK" sound when shooting, oppose to the Longoni's soft "THUD" sound.
Years ago, before I got the Longoni, I contacted Keith Josey to build me a custom cue. But since he didn't wanna do my spec, I ended up buying this second hander instead (originally purchased directly from him at the Valley Forge billiards convention in 2005).
-- peer
subdude1974 said:
This looks like one of Keith's ?Bar Room Hustler" sneaky-petes that only cost $240.00, and with this type blank the point hight is not guaranteed as wouldn't any other cue of this type and price range. this is not one of his customized exotic wood sneaky-petes that start at $320 on up. I have always known Keith to put customer satisfaction first, so what did he say to your friend when he contacted him about being unhappy with your purchase? If he hasn't contacted him, maybe he should because I would bet that Keith would want to make him happy?
skins ---------- knows Keith wants everyone of his customers satisfied...