Kersenbrock vs. Southwest

cuenut

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How can you tell the difference between an early Kersenbrock vs. Southwest? Thanks for any input you may provide. From what I understand, SW can authenticate both via pictures. If it is that simple, it must be pretty obvious.
 
Good morning Scott,
My Kersenbrock has a letter from Laurie.
Regarding the quality the Kerse I have hits like 60 Yeards old SW :)))


Big difference ....

Hopefully I helped

Vass
 
Can you elaborate a little more? What do you mean by the 60 year old SW. In your opinion, is that good or bad?
 
I play with a Kersenbrock cue, and sold my Southwest to my brother. For me they play a lot alike. Both very solid stiff hitting cues. Tons of action if needed. If you guys remember Jerry was still working on VW's while Kersenbrock had allready mastered the art of cuemaking. The first Southwests were so close to the Kersenbrocks we have to get Laurie to identify some of the cues. I can't figure why he is not in the cuemakers hall of fame?? Tim Scruggs, Bill Stroud, Tad Kohara, Bill Schick, ect. ect.??? I believe most people miss the point with a cue, the most important feature for any cue is the balance point for the individual using it, which is different for all. You may have to use 25 different cues for a while to even find the right mixture for you. I can play better with a lesser cue if it feels good to me than I can with a Masters cue if the balance point is off.
 
I heard the holes on the top of the pin are different. They are slightly different on mine. DPK's pin has larger hole on the top.

One of the reason SW can recongnize a cue is that they remember the cues they built.

One of my friend has quasi DPK and he was playing at a tournament in Vegas when Laurie and "some guy" dropped by to look at the cue. "some guy" can actually tell which portion of the cue was made by Jerry and which portion was made by DPK. I find this amazing.

When I had '91 SW authenticated, Laurie had no problem finding the original order for the cue in a hurry!!!!!
 
cuenut said:
How can you tell the difference between an early Kersenbrock vs. Southwest? Thanks for any input you may provide. From what I understand, SW can authenticate both via pictures. If it is that simple, it must be pretty obvious.

Recently, I've asked Laurie about a visual authentication, and she told me that they needed a cue sent in for authentication (pictures wouldn't cut it)......
 
I think...

cueaddicts said:
Recently, I've asked Laurie about a visual authentication, and she told me that they needed a cue sent in for authentication (pictures wouldn't cut it)......

Yes, they do because both SW and DPK use very specific tolerances with respect to taper on the cue and shafts so they need to be measured in addition very minute distinctions with respect to ringwork/points...both solid cues...DPK are a bit more consistent in my experience with respect to hit. I played with a Franklin era SW last week and I liked the way my 2004 satin played much more...boy that cue was swindled from me...I try not to think about it or I begin to cry :(
 
Vass,

Email me later if you are interested in any form of cues + cash. I have nice Corsair purpleheart titlist (wrapless and gorgeous) and nice Brunswick double butterfly conversion cue with ivory joint (I believe Rauenzahn converted this cue althought it doesn't have -R- logo).
 
scenario said:
I play with a Kersenbrock cue, and sold my Southwest to my brother. For me they play a lot alike. Both very solid stiff hitting cues. Tons of action if needed. If you guys remember Jerry was still working on VW's while Kersenbrock had allready mastered the art of cuemaking. The first Southwests were so close to the Kersenbrocks we have to get Laurie to identify some of the cues. I can't figure why he is not in the cuemakers hall of fame?? Tim Scruggs, Bill Stroud, Tad Kohara, Bill Schick, ect. ect.??? I believe most people miss the point with a cue, the most important feature for any cue is the balance point for the individual using it, which is different for all. You may have to use 25 different cues for a while to even find the right mixture for you. I can play better with a lesser cue if it feels good to me than I can with a Masters cue if the balance point is off.
So, who are you saying should and should not be in the HOF? Because everyone you've mentioned is worthy. And, Jerry is already there. :confused:
 
About the pin hole size, I was told about the size of the pin hole and the differences with the spacings between the stitches in the ring just to later learn that early Southwest also had large pin holes.

About taper, the DPK taper and the Southwest taper is supposed to be the same, isn't it?

Richard
 
X Breaker said:
About the pin hole size, I was told about the size of the pin hole and the differences with the spacings between the stitches in the ring just to later learn that early Southwest also had large pin holes.

>>When the FRANKLIN's bought the business from DPK they bought hundreds of his joint screws.:)

About taper, the DPK taper and the Southwest taper is supposed to be the same, isn't it?

>>The tapers were the same on early cues. As time went by SW made slight modifications to the BUTT taper and offered a couple of more dynamic shaft tapers.

Happy Holidays, Adam
 
X Breaker said:
About the pin hole size, I was told about the size of the pin hole and the differences with the spacings between the stitches in the ring just to later learn that early Southwest also had large pin holes.

About taper, the DPK taper and the Southwest taper is supposed to be the same, isn't it?

Richard
My '85 SW has the large hole. I bought it as a Kers but Laurie ID'ed the cue as an early SW.
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Laurie is the authority on the authetication of DPK it seems.

So, how do we tell for sure if we do not send the cue to Laurie?
 
X Breaker said:
Laurie is the authority on the authetication of DPK it seems.

So, how do we tell for sure if we do not send the cue to Laurie?



What??? It's not like DPK has passed away and you have to channel his spirit thru a Ouija board to get a cue authenticated. If you want a DPK verified send it to DPK via Ed Young, they still work out of the same shop.
 
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magnetardo said:
What??? It's not like DPK has passed away and you have to channel his spirit thru a Ouija board to get a cue authenticated. If you want a DPK verified send it to DPK via Ed Young, they still work out of the same shop.
Have you tried to do that?:)
Richard
 
magnetardo said:
Yes, have you? All it takes is a phone call.
May I ask when did you call him, was it recently?
You must have some special connection:) because in my experience, it certainly was not as simple as you put it.:confused:
 
X Breaker said:
May I ask when did you call him, was it recently?
You must have some special connection:) because in my experience, it certainly was not as simple as you put it.:confused:



PM me if you'd like more info.
 
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