Kevin Trudeau, the ITP, and us Common Folks

[PoolSleuth]

To the gentleman that said Doctors don't know everthing...you have NO IDEA HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!

Shorty

Kevin Trudeau's Book, “Natural Cures” is just an information book for people with open minds, who seek an alternative to the medicine peddled by your local D.O, M.D., and the A.M.A. (American Medical Association.)

Personally I feel Physicians should be call “Sickcare Providers”, as most physicians don’t talk to patients about being Healthy, or a Healthy Lifestyle. Healthy people don't go to the doctor.

Most physicians are trained to diagnose, & treat disease, and injuries. Using conventional medical procedure, and drugs. What I call Medicate with Patent Drugs, Cut, Burn, and Poison.

Also the Drug Industry can not patent natural cures, and or herbs remedies that work. So why peddle what there is no money in when they can peddle miracle drugs with fancy name and promisses that many times don’t work.

Kevin Trudeau's Book is nothing more than information that is an alternative to modern medicine.

One need only turn on the radio, television, or go to the local health food store to find out about natural cures, and remedies. That Mr. Trudeau's Book, “Natural Cures” is all about.

Red Yeast Rice is a good example of a herbal food supplement that works on lowering cholesterol for a cost of about $20.00 per month verses the patent Staten Drugs like Lipator, or Zocore that cost up wards of $150.00, $250.00, or more dollars per month, and have their own unique set of side effects.

People around the world have been using natural cures for hundreds of years to cue many medical conditions. Yes old natural cures do work.

I personally feel the medical establishment is in no hurry to find a cure for Cancer, or Heart Disease this nations number 1 & 2 killers.

Reason is if Cancer, and or Heart Disease was whipped off the face of the Earth like Polio was in the early 1950’s with the help of the Dr. Jonas Salk with his Salk Vaccine.

Can’t you just imagine the economical impact on Physicians, Surgeons, Hospitals, Drug Companies, and last the Funeral Industry would be suffering without all people needing treatment for Heart Disease & Cancer. or dieing from Heart Disease & Cancer.

 

[iacas]

I'm still waiting for someone to point out that it's IPT, not ITP, to the thread originator...

 

[Str8PoolMan]

Kevin Trudeau's Book, “Natural Cures” is just an information book for people with open minds, who seek an alternative to the medicine peddled by your local D.O, M.D., and the A.M.A. (American Medical Association.)

Personally I feel Physicians should be call “Sickcare Providers”, as most physicians don’t talk to patients about being Healthy, or a Healthy Lifestyle. Healthy people don't go to the doctor.

Most physicians are trained to diagnose, & treat disease, and injuries. Using conventional medical procedure, and drugs. What I call Medicate with Patent Drugs, Cut, Burn, and Poison.

Also the Drug Industry can not patent natural cures, and or herbs remedies that work. So why peddle what there is no money in when they can peddle miracle drugs with fancy name and promisses that many times don’t work.

Kevin Trudeau's Book is nothing more than information that is an alternative to modern medicine.

One need only turn on the radio, television, or go to the local health food store to find out about natural cures, and remedies. That Mr. Trudeau's Book, “Natural Cures” is all about.

Red Yeast Rice is a good example of a herbal food supplement that works on lowering cholesterol for a cost of about $20.00 per month verses the patent Staten Drugs like Lipator, or Zocore that cost up wards of $150.00, $250.00, or more dollars per month, and have their own unique set of side effects.

People around the world have been using natural cures for hundreds of years to cue many medical conditions. Yes old natural cures do work.

I personally feel the medical establishment is in no hurry to find a cure for Cancer, or Heart Disease this nations number 1 & 2 killers.

Reason is if Cancer, and or Heart Disease was whipped off the face of the Earth like Polio was in the early 1950’s with the help of the Dr. Jonas Salk with his Salk Vaccine.

Can’t you just imagine the economical impact on Physicians, Surgeons, Hospitals, Drug Companies, and last the Funeral Industry would be suffering without all people needing treatment for Heart Disease & Cancer. or dieing from Heart Disease & Cancer.

" From the evidence, I believe [man's] wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy." -- Dr. Zaius, in Planet of the Apes.

 

[ironman]

Even though I am not a fan of people like KT the artical was not objective and the writer had an agenda.

Well Macguy, it looks like we agree on something. He does appear to have an agenda.
My granma used to always warn that, not much is as good as it seems, but, not much is as bad as it seems.
Kt has been pretty straightforward about his past, which is smart, because it likely would have come out anyway, so why not deal with it and get it over with. He hangs onto the Victims Stance a little much for my taste, but that is another issue.
I have known more than a few people who have made big mistakes during their youth, paid their debt, and gone on to live very responsible lives.
I don't think Kt is doing this for nothing and I hope that isn't the case. Nobody does anything for nothing and those who believe differently are not facing reality.
As long as he can profit or gain what he is after, he will stay intrested and honest. If not, he will lose intrest and then we can begin to worry.
For now, I feel it is the most exciting thing to happen to this game/sport in my 34 year invovement. There will be a trickle down effect felt by all of us.

 

[ironman]

Having plans is easy, bringing them to fruition is the hard part. We'll see what we see in 2008.

Well of course it is the hard part! Don't you think that that is a big part of the attraction to KT. The man is obviously not lazy or afraid of a challenge. I feel that that is what attracts him to pool players. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

 

[ironman]

wow. a lot of railing against the establishment here, but not much discussion of what Kevin Trudeau can or will do for pool.

Leaving aside everybody's emotional vindictivness towards doctors and insurance companies, let's think about exactly what Kevin may be up to. With both Memory Magic and Natural Cures, Kevin has managed to get a little bit of money from a lot of people. He did it by looking the part of a respectable businessman/authority on the subject and sold things that either didn't work (memory) or promised things he didn't deliver (book). It's been noted many times that Natural Cures tries to get you to subscribe to the web site, which then tries to get you to sign up for the newsletter. None of them contain the information that you want, and it's always because "the government doesn't want you to know". Right.

So, with regards to pool, what has Kevin done? He has invested a little money (compared to what he has, remember) to get people excited about a new prospect. He has done a good job of surrounding himself with the right people (Mike, Deno) to project that he is really one of us (whatever "us" means). I'd be pretty sure that while people like Mike and Deno get to handle all the player selection, venue selection and setup, etc... ALL the money goes through Kevin. Why would that be the case?

I don't have any personal stake in this, so I'm just interested in seeing if a leopard can change his spots. For myself, I don't think so. I'm not waiting to see if Kevin does something, I'm waiting to see how and when.

Sure all the money goesthrough his hands and all the money paid out goes through his hands as well.
He has invested a little money compare to what he has? I don't care how much a person is worth, $25,000,000 is one hell of a lot of money to invest. I wonder how much Gillette initially invested in Friday night at the Fights?

 

[Craig Fales]

I'm still waiting for someone to point out that it's IPT, not ITP, to the thread originator...

LOLz...and Sigel, not Siegel
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[rackmsuckr]

Jeff... Our government wastes millions and millions of dollars on grants
for studies that have no legitimate basis or benefits to our society.
The errors of the government would take up more space than is available
to detail out here. I have worked for a pharmeceutical company before,
and have experienced firsthand how they conduct their research, and how
much money they waste trying to get a new drug approved by the FDA,
which takes 6 years normally. I have also explored other areas in my 20's
mostly that would probably be considered faith based things, like Edgar Cayce's life in the book, There is a River by Thomas Surgue, who 'cured'
people with 'natural' ingredients, or even Nostradamus, a French physician,
who cured 2 cases of the Black Plague when no cures were available. Or
even the case of Steve McQueen who was suppose to die from cancer, but
went to Europe, went the diet and holistic type treatments and lived 3 years
past his 'death' date. You can simply dismiss these if you want, but I can
not. I went through a winshield head first 15 years ago, and was treated
by doctors although I experienced ongoing back, shoulder, and neck problems.
I ended up going to a chiropractor, which wasn't considered too much of
legitimate thing to do back then, and after extensive treatment, he was able
to restore my health and strength back to my body. I just saying that the
answers to a problem are not always the obivious one you would consider.
Some of the radical experimental treatments or surgies could be considered
way out on the edge type treatments for something too. We all have a
brain, and we must make our own decisions, no matter who we are dealing
with. Yes, KT has a questionable past, but so did Joseph Kennedy and his
father before him. KT knows he is under a microscope, and any hint of
impropriety will have people jumping ship, but maybe, just maybe, he has
found a purpose which he believes in and wants to do right. He would not
be the first wealthy person in history to do so as they get older.

Disease - Scurvy
Natural Cure - Oranges/Vitamin C

Our largest organ, our skin, manufactures Vitamin D just by being in the sun. (Of course the radiation in the sun and burning is no good for skin cancer)

Just in case you weren't aware, medical doctors do not think D.O's and chiropractors are 'real' doctors either. They accept them as a necessary evil, but they certainly don't want to be mentioned in the same breath. It all comes down to money - MDs perceive them to be taking away their rightful patients. I have worked in the medical industry for a long time and you should see how they sneer and look down their noses at anyone that doesn't have an MD title.

 

[Donovan]

...Can’t you just imagine the economical impact on Physicians, Surgeons, Hospitals, Drug Companies, and last the Funeral Industry would be suffering without all people needing treatment for Heart Disease & Cancer. or dieing from Heart Disease & Cancer.

I really doubt people dying is going to slow down, unless the aging gene is removed from our DNA. Otherwise the rest of your post was spot on mate.

And as far as the rest of the Pool IPT stuff goes, SHOW ME THE MONEY. I love that players are going to get paid. I loved hearing how some of the players were shaking and feeling the pressure. I think we have "game on" with the IPT for however long it lasts! You don't think some of those top golfers feel the 3 ft putt for the payout. Heeee

 

[catscradle]

Kevin Trudeau's Book, “Natural Cures” is just an information book for people with open minds, who seek an alternative to the medicine peddled by your local D.O, M.D., and the A.M.A. (American Medical Association.)
...

The point is not whether or not some "natural cures" work, there is definitely a place in health care for alternative treatment. However, his nonsense (or is that BS) about a conspiracy between the government and the health care industries ... he is either totally irrational or trying to con those who are totally irrational. He gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and then acts like the government was out to get him. He just isn't important enough for the government to give a rat's a$$ about. It is not a question of open minds or being a slave to traditional health care. Traditional health care has it flaws, but "natural cures" are for the most part old wive's tales that do nothing and if you really are sick may keep you away from the proper care you need. I'm almost 60 and have never been in a hospital and aside from a yearly physical very rarely to the doctor's office, I didn't even got to the doc for food poisoning last year. Basically I'm healthy, but if I get really sick my first alternative will be traditional medicine. When "natural cures" were the standard people died at what? Forty-five to fifty-five at best. The health industry may be in it for the buck, but they've done something right.
KT has a long an verifiable history of running con games in the guise of multi-level marketing. He doesn't appear to mind a lie now and then either. He is what he is and his book is what it is.
BTW, if you believe KT, I've a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

All that said, maybe his self-interest will prove to be in pool's self-interest.

 

[chefjeff]

Jeff... Our government wastes millions and millions of dollars on grants
for studies that have no legitimate basis or benefits to our society.
The errors of the government would take up more space than is available
to detail out here. I have worked for a pharmeceutical company before,
and have experienced firsthand how they conduct their research, and how
much money they waste trying to get a new drug approved by the FDA,
which takes 6 years normally. I have also explored other areas in my 20's
mostly that would probably be considered faith based things, like Edgar Cayce's life in the book, There is a River by Thomas Surgue, who 'cured'
people with 'natural' ingredients, or even Nostradamus, a French physician,
who cured 2 cases of the Black Plague when no cures were available. Or
even the case of Steve McQueen who was suppose to die from cancer, but
went to Europe, went the diet and holistic type treatments and lived 3 years
past his 'death' date. You can simply dismiss these if you want, but I can
not. I went through a winshield head first 15 years ago, and was treated
by doctors although I experienced ongoing back, shoulder, and neck problems.
I ended up going to a chiropractor, which wasn't considered too much of
legitimate thing to do back then, and after extensive treatment, he was able
to restore my health and strength back to my body. I just saying that the
answers to a problem are not always the obivious one you would consider.
Some of the radical experimental treatments or surgies could be considered
way out on the edge type treatments for something too. We all have a
brain, and we must make our own decisions, no matter who we are dealing
with. Yes, KT has a questionable past, but so did Joseph Kennedy and his
father before him. KT knows he is under a microscope, and any hint of
impropriety will have people jumping ship, but maybe, just maybe, he has
found a purpose which he believes in and wants to do right. He would not
be the first wealthy person in history to do so as they get older.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or not,as you're jumping around with your opinions a little bit, but thanks for responding.

To make things clear, I am in favor of any treatments that work effectively, even placebos and other mmystical remedies that the user believes work. Why? Because I don't own other peoples' bodies; they do and therefore they have the right to do with THEIR bodies any damn thing they please to do.

Yet, I want the science for myself. I want studies, double-blind, controlled, published, etc. even though these, too, can be flawed. The odds are much better that they're not flawed, but...

Since you brought him up, Joe Kennedy was a drug dealer and benefited tremendously from the first drug war failure, prohibition of alcohol. Hardly "questionable." He then used his money for immoral purposes: controlling others' lives with gun-backed force. Kevin is using his money for pool...make your own moral assessment of that.

Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

The point is not whether or not some "natural cures" work, there is definitely a place in health care for alternative treatment. However, his nonsense (or is that BS) about a conspiracy between the government and the health care industries ... he is either totally irrational or trying to con those who are totally irrational. He gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and then acts like the government was out to get him. He just isn't important enough for the government to give a rat's a$$ about. It is not a question of open minds or being a slave to traditional health care. (snip).

Kittycat,

I just got this in my email and thought of your post, above. Here's the link to a short article about just one little example of the collusion between the govt and the drug companies that's attempting to leave us up the creek without a paddle:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=57792

Enjoy,

Jeff Livingston

 

[catscradle]

Kittycat,

I just got this in my email and thought of your post, above. Here's the link to a short article about just one little example of the collusion between the govt and the drug companies that's attempting to leave us up the creek without a paddle:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=57792

Enjoy,

Jeff Livingston

That is not evidence of a government/health industry conspiracy to keep legit cures from us to inhance profits. It is an example of the way all industries (of which the health industry is only one) try to manipulate the government (sometimes successfully), but it is not evidence of an ongoing grand conspiracy to keep us sick to make money as KT would have us believe.
The government does some things wrong, the health industry does some things wrong, and sometimes they do them together. However, wild a$$ nonsense about grand conspiracies accomplishes nothing to curb these type of misbehaviours. All these crazy stories do is undermind the validity of legitimate inquiries in to misbehaviours.

 

[chefjeff]

That is not evidence of a government/health industry conspiracy to keep legit cures from us to inhance profits. It is an example of the way all industries (of which the health industry is only one) try to manipulate the government (sometimes successfully), but it is not evidence of an ongoing grand conspiracy to keep us sick to make money as KT would have us believe.
The government does some things wrong, the health industry does some things wrong, and sometimes they do them together. However, wild a$$ nonsense about grand conspiracies accomplishes nothing to curb these type of misbehaviours. All these crazy stories do is undermind the validity of legitimate inquiries in to misbehaviours.

I never said there was some grand conspiracy...I'm not sure if Kevin has said that or not. The story is real, not crazy, btw. so I don't understand how valid info. like this can undermind anything, save evil.

The Cat roars...

Grand conspiracies are not necessary for harm to be done. Now the article definitely shows collusion between govt and the drug companies, does it not? The irony compared to Kevin's case is that the government is trying to exclude liablilty for their financial supporters and at the same time is trying to punish anyone who exposes opinions about these anti-business, anti-life crimes.

And if the first article I posted is "an example of the way all industries try to manipulate the government," then the problem isn't really in just that particular industry, but lies in the illegitimate power of the federal govt. and the attempts by whomever to use that gun-backed force for profits and for eliminating competiton.

This is what we get when caring, yet small-thinking people vote for the feds to "solve" every problem in society: Death, destruction, confusion, hopelessness, fear, insecurity, and more death.

Jeff Livingston

 

[DaveK]

I never said there was some grand conspiracy...I'm not sure if Kevin has said that or not.

I have not seen you suggest a grand consiracy on this matter, but what do you make of the subtitle for his book ? It goes something like :

" What 'they' don't want you to know "

I tend to think that the subtitle is the suggestion of a grand conspiracy run by 'they' to keep valuable heath information from the public for some reason.

I also got the same impression upon hearing KT deliver his pitch for Natural Cures on TV. Of course he might be right, just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get you

Take care.

Dave

PS, does anyone know how Kevin got all this great knowledge he put in his book ? He sure seems more like a salesman than a health researcher, but then I really don't know so would appreciate any comments on this.

 

[Crispy Fish]

I thought this was a thread about the IPT???

 

[catscradle]

I thought this was a thread about the IPT???

True, so true. I was as off topic as anybody, if anybody wants to restart this thread in the non-pool section I'll gladly jump back in. However, I'll not have further comment in this thread.
Sorry for wandering OT.