Kevin Varney ****Mr. Wilson

ericdraven said:
thank you , i have stated the same things til im blue in face the exact sentiments and all i get is trash talked and bashing . than you again for your post!!!! and kevin is a friend of mine as well . im behind you and kevin 100 percent. the info could have easily been found with a simple search but i guess some folks are too lazy to use the functions . hopefully this thread will end up like the last one . DELETED . everyone knows the deal , well atleast some get it some are lost.


and the vultures flock , it is the same circle jerks stirring the pot ,must be out of jealously
search the threads you will see a very unique pattern of these same people.
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I have been nothing but positive to this site since I joined. Never had a bad thing to say about anyone. So hopefully you are not speaking of me. I simply am trying to contact Kevin the only way I know how. I can't speak for the others. I just would like some response from him that is true.

Enough said.
If Kevin doesn't see this by now he probally never will..........
 
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vinniebabarooch said:
Honestly, if people like you would stay off these threads it would serve it's purpose. You are not Kevin Varney. So why do you care? Just don't post and maybe Kevin will get a chance to see this thread and ship my cue out. Afterall, thats why I started this thread to begin with.
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I dont even knopw him and I am starting to dislike him .....
 
LoGiC said:
I don't believe there was any written consent on both parties, thus no contract has yet been violated. A few PM's// emails about information won't hold up in court about something like this. If there were threats, it becomes a whole other ball game, other than that verbal contracts-which emails, PMs, and other electronic communications are considered to my knowledge- have no standing power in court.
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Are you a lawyer? because this is way wrong. If two people have agreed to a transaction with proper consideration on each side, a contract has been formed, regardless of the manner in which they agreed. The "get it in writing" saying is just because it's a lot easier to try to prove something in court with written documents rather than "he said, she said" stuff.
 
ericdraven said:
thank you , i have stated the same things til im blue in face the exact sentiments and all i get is trash talked and bashing . than you again for your post!!!! and kevin is a friend of mine as well . im behind you and kevin 100 percent. the info could have easily been found with a simple search but i guess some folks are too lazy to use the functions . hopefully this thread will end up like the last one . DELETED . everyone knows the deal , well atleast some get it some are lost.


and the vultures flock , it is the same circle jerks stirring the pot ,must be out of jealously
search the threads you will see a very unique pattern of these same people.
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Hmm, I thought the same thing about the KV defenders. There's 3, maybe 4 of you guys being very loud, while there are many more unhappy KV customers. Pot, kettle, and all that.
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
I feel for the people who paid and have not yet received. I paid full and not received yet...... but I been around here enough to see that some cuemakers get in a bind and things drag and therefore I wont be anal and moan that I want my cue now or my money back.........I've watied a long time to get soem extra funds to get a Varney.....the reviews on his cues are outstanding and I want a solid REAL player! and therefore I am prepared to wait to have my cue constructed to the quality and craftsmanship of the 1 and only Kevin Varney if it even takes many more months than the promised deadline......
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Congratulations! You are such a stand up citizen, a model unto us all.

Some of us are in different circumstances than you, and would like a different resolution than you. Some of us have tried maturely discussing these things with KV and been blown off and ignored. This is the crux of most people's annoyance.

People who are happy to wait as long as possible for a cue aren't annoyed. People who expected KV to at least try to live up to his word, and to treat them with respect are annoyed.
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
I will gladly do buisiness with Varney again even after my cue is done and in my case....I want one of his J/B's. still savings my extra pennies..... YEs there are other great cuemakers out there........but not all of them plays like a Real Deal Varney! Just my opinion........ too each their own :)
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You can have my spot in line...
 
LoGiC said:
I don't believe there was any written consent on both parties, thus no contract has yet been violated. A few PM's// emails about information won't hold up in court about something like this. If there were threats, it becomes a whole other ball game, other than that verbal contracts-which emails, PMs, and other electronic communications are considered to my knowledge- have no standing power in court.

The only seemingly solid deal is one party paid for a product to be delivered, and it will be. Certain circumstances have led him being behind, which he has already stated in past threads.

Anyways- I wish all parties involved good luck. KV I hope your family is fine, and to the others waiting, your cue will come and you will love it!
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No contract violated? Wow!!!!!!!!!! Only one word comes to mind.............INTREGRITY. Whatever the situation, KV needs to come forward and communicate what's going to all the people that have been left hanging. Just like Vinnieb, who was totally justified on exposing this situation.

Jim Kissinger
 
kevin varney started a lot of this on his on......
1..telling the cue is ready..im sending a tracking number
2.if you got problem call me..but no phone calls or email
3.i already gave him some money ...note....when he takes the money its a contact...also he gave his word
my cue was order in oct...still no cue ,,,,,,,cant get a hold of varney
 
kevin varney

kevin varney is having family problems.....i'm sorry about that ......
but when he tells me my cue is ready ..i'm sending you a tracking
number.get your cue in 3 or 4 day .. great...this was in feb 2008
kevin varney won't call me...or email.....
i order the cue in oct 2007........ i gave him some money also.....
kevin ,,,,just call me.......
my phone number is 1-850-545-6556......mark
 
LoGiC said:
I don't believe there was any written consent on both parties, thus no contract has yet been violated. A few PM's// emails about information won't hold up in court about something like this. If there were threats, it becomes a whole other ball game, other than that verbal contracts-which emails, PMs, and other electronic communications are considered to my knowledge- have no standing power in court.
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Verbal contracts can hold up just fine in court assuming the claimant has had to make some sort of sacrifice.... for example if your friend tells you he'll give you a thousand bucks if you quit playing pool for a year, the fact that you have to make the sacrifice of not playing makes it a contract that could hold up in court. I guess you could spin this particular situation to say that perhaps he passed up other cue deals or something that he had to sacrifice while waiting in good faith for something that he has now given up on.... I'm sure a lawyer could come up with some good crap to say.
 
There really isn't any evidence that would hold up with verbal communication. Thats why they say 'get it in writing'. Otherwise its 'he said - she said' and generally dismissed.

There might be a spin on it, you would have to consult a lawyer, but most small claims & fed courts would dismiss the case without any real substantial evidence.

Of course- Judge Judy would make this into an excellent case- I would consider taking it to her- since she pays the rulings anyways. ;)
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
.. YEs there are other great cuemakers out there........but not all of them plays like a Real Deal Varney! Just my opinion........ too each their own :)
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You make it sound like you think he is a top notch cuemaker. :rolleyes:

Regardless of how good his cues play, the way he conducts business is atrocious to say the least. Excuse after excuse, lie after lie, then ignoring the people that pay him.

I guess it's cool that you support that kind of thing but it doesn't fly in my world
 
Rocket354 said:
Hmm, I thought the same thing about the KV defenders. There's 3, maybe 4 of you guys being very loud, while there are many more unhappy KV customers. Pot, kettle, and all that.
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Well at least when this "hopefully" works itself out ,he will have 3 or 4 customers still...........:rolleyes:
 
LoGiC said:
There really isn't any evidence that would hold up with verbal communication. Thats why they say 'get it in writing'. Otherwise its 'he said - she said' and generally dismissed.

There might be a spin on it, you would have to consult a lawyer, but most small claims & fed courts would dismiss the case without any real substantial evidence.

Of course- Judge Judy would make this into an excellent case- I would consider taking it to her- since she pays the rulings anyways. ;)
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If ppl payed in advance, I'm guessing no one sent an envelope with cash. They probably payed by check, paypal, money order ie something traceable. If they didn't get a cue in return, it would be a pretty straight forward small claims case if they chose to go that route. Contracts are about consideration (in this case: in consideration for this $$$ i'm paying upfront, you'll build and deliver me a cue). So long as they can establish that money was payed and nothing was delivered...
 
By KV's own admission he has 200 cues that have been ordered. This along with his repair work. If he could turn out 3 cues per week it would take him 67 weeks to fill these orders. This is coupled with his repair work. If he had taken payment in full on these cues this means he won't have any "cue" income for 67 weeks. How is he going to fullfill these orders over this length of time with little to no "cue" sales income.

On one of the threads it was stated that he wouldn't build a cue without payment in full in advance. I don't kow if this it true but if it is things don't look good for those buyers at the latter part of this waiting game.

I don't know what his cues sell for but let's say $350.00 each he would have taken $70K. Out of this he has to buy materials. Cost unknown. Utility costs unkown. Repairs and maintenance of equipment unkown.
Shipping and insurance cost unkown. Fuel and maint. on vehicle to procure materials and getting to and from the post office cost unkown. His weekly living costs unkown. After subtracting all of this and continuing to operate for 67 weeks with little cue related income, I have to wonder how is he going to do this. Now add on his personal prob., his travelling on family matters and only he can clearly estimate what is left to complete the necessary work within 67 weeks. It doesn't look good!

Opps, I almost forget to mention the fed. tax, state tax, local tax (if any) SS ded., health care costs. Wow. I'd say this isn't going to end on a pretty note.
 
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LoGiC said:
I don't believe there was any written consent on both parties, thus no contract has yet been violated. !
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You don't have to always write something down for there to be a contract.
Do the words "verbal contract" ring a bell and the fact that he took money confirms he made a contract for something?

He took money to preform a service (make a cue) he didn't or hasn't delivered what was promised = Fraud.

I also think it's a bad idea to pay for any service up front. Like someone else said. He has no incentive to finish now other than the law. He's probably doing the ones that haven't paid up front first! :eek:
 
BPG24 said:
You make it sound like you think he is a top notch cuemaker. :rolleyes:

Regardless of how good his cues play, the way he conducts business is atrocious to say the least. Excuse after excuse, lie after lie, then ignoring the people that pay him.

I guess it's cool that you support that kind of thing but it doesn't fly in my world
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umm why is he not considered a top notch ?? :rolleyes: lets see some pros using his shafts and cues, he has alot cues sold and most everyone likes , let me see , hmm id bet you consider scruggs , botis , southwest all top notch? but guess what you are paying for the name - the reputation , there is no giant difference among great cues . those are all about collecting and safe queens when gus made his cies years ago and sold for about 150 to 175 bucks total and starting out im sure those cues were the average cue ,but now time ,age ,the word, collectors, those are golden . but guess what those $10,000 and 20 ,000 gus cues now ???? guess --- they are still those same $175 dollar cues
 
ericdraven said:
umm why is he not considered a top notch ?? :rolleyes: lets see some pros using his shafts and cues, he has alot cues sold and most everyone likes , let me see , hmm id bet you consider scruggs , botis , southwest all top notch? but guess what you are paying for the name - the reputation , there is no giant difference among great cues . those are all about collecting and safe queens when gus made his cies years ago and sold for about 150 to 175 bucks total and starting out im sure those cues were the average cue ,but now time ,age ,the word, collectors, those are golden . but guess what those $10,000 and 20 ,000 gus cues now ???? guess --- they are still those same $175 dollar cues
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heheh NICE!

ok lets get this thread locked..............gona be just like the other one..
 
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