Kevin Varney ****Mr. Wilson

Dawgie said:
Nothing is going to change what has happened to those who have sent in deposits or payment in full to KV in exchange for one of his cues. I know it will hurt some more than to let this situation go but it's something to think about. Try to chalk it up to experience and maybe some day KV will actually send you what you have paid for. Then again maybe he will not send you anything.

Move on and save your money and buy another brand of cue. Let's be realistic about his abilities and materials. He simply can't be better than all other cue makers, it's just impossible. It isn't a magic wand and it isn't going to be. For those that think otherwise you are just fooling yourselves.

Our country has many good and excellent cue makers with years of cue making and business experience. Of course it financially hurts but it is the way it is. If KV's cues have some type of magical powers, has he had his design patented, his brand trademarked? If he is really as good as his "friends" say he is why do people buy cues made by other cue builders. After reading these and other threads about KV I wouldn't go out of my way to buy one, and this is being kind.
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Wow, this is a totally unexpected angle. The guy stole your money, but just let it go.

I prefer to assume the best, and that's just that KV has swamped himself with too many responsibilities and is having a hard time dealing with it. But if, in fact, he has essentially stole money then I plan on taking any recourse I can.
 
manwon said:
Nothing is going to change what has happened to those who have sent in deposits or payment in full to KV in exchange for one of his cues. I know it will hurt some more than to let this situation go but it's something to think about. Try to chalk it up to experience and maybe some day KV will actually send you what you have paid for. Then again maybe he will not send you anything

Dawgie, what you said above may be OK for you or even me if I had a cue coming from Kevin. However, many of these people have spent hard earned money that did not come easy. Next, it is very important to never let this individual do this again to anyone on this forum. You see Dawgie history along with peoples negative actions tend to repeat themselves if forgotten.

This is something we as members can not allow to happen to our new members. This situation must continue until every person owed a cue either gets that cue or a full refund of their money. Anyone who disputes this only looks foolish, and will lose their credibility along with Kevin, because everyone is judged by the company they chose to keep!!!!!;)
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Refering to the highlighted words only - I agree. I know how hard this can be. I'm in no way trying to make light of this situation. I do know how it feels to work and save for months to buy something and then have the buying experience turn to shiiiiiiit. The above was not put forth to defend KV in any way. If I were KV I don't think I would go to very many tournaments for fear I would run into someone that I owe a cue to and still hold his money. I would be looking over my shoulder as much as possible.
 
Rocket354 said:
Wow, this is a totally unexpected angle. The guy stole your money, but just let it go.

I prefer to assume the best, and that's just that KV has swamped himself with too many responsibilities and is having a hard time dealing with it. But if, in fact, he has essentially stole money then I plan on taking any recourse I can.
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I agree with you but when you get into legal matters the expense sometimes cannot be justified. Lawyers go for $250.00 per hour and up. Small claims court may be an answer and the situation may be found in your favor but that is about it. You won but how are you going to collect the money??????? Or the cue?????? Legal matters aren't all that simple.
 
ericdraven said:
umm why is he not considered a top notch ??
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No one in their right mind would compare him with the elite cue makers. You guys need to get off his **** and realize that even if his cues were as good as he thinks that they are, his business practices and people skills would still outweigh the quality.
 
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bestkites said:
I have a feeling that this thread might end up getting deleted.
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Why would that happen?

Please respond, I would like to here your thoughts:)

Have a good night Craig
 
the only reason why i can see this thread being deleted is because basically the same things are being said over and over again.

#1 He took money from me and hasnt delivered.
#2 he hasnt communicated with me
#3 his cues are amazing
#4 his cues arent amazing or anywhere near as amazing as everyone thinks
#5 ideas as to how this wont happen again
#6 ideas as to how to prevent this from happening again
#7 how do i get in touch with him
#8 this is how you get in touch with him.


I havent read all of this as there is so much to go over but has anyone called him to see the current status of their orders and what not?
 
ForumGhost516 said:
the only reason why i can see this thread being deleted is because basically the same things are being said over and over again.

#1 He took money from me and hasnt delivered.
#2 he hasnt communicated with me
#3 his cues are amazing
#4 his cues arent amazing or anywhere near as amazing as everyone thinks
#5 ideas as to how this wont happen again
#6 ideas as to how to prevent this from happening again
#7 how do i get in touch with him
#8 this is how you get in touch with him.


I havent read all of this as there is so much to go over but has anyone called him to see the current status of their orders and what not?
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I havent read all of this as there is so much to go over but has anyone called him to see the current status of their orders and what not?[/

I think you do need to read it, because your questions would be answered.

Let me help you out here, there is no contact information / phone number, he will not answer emails, or any other form of communication!!

Now if you have that information please let some one know!!!!

Have a good night!!!!
 
ForumGhost516 said:
the only reason why i can see this thread being deleted is because basically the same things are being said over and over again.

#1 He took money from me and hasnt delivered.
#2 he hasnt communicated with me
#3 his cues are amazing
#4 his cues arent amazing or anywhere near as amazing as everyone thinks
#5 ideas as to how this wont happen again
#6 ideas as to how to prevent this from happening again
#7 how do i get in touch with him
#8 this is how you get in touch with him.


I havent read all of this as there is so much to go over but has anyone called him to see the current status of their orders and what not?
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CASPER,

I'll lay 8 to 5 that if this thread disappears (like a ghost) another manifistation will materialize within 24 hrs. My ESPN tells me this will be a reoccuring nightmare for the king and his court until satisfaction is dispensed.

night, night don't let the sunlight bite:)
 
ribdoner said:
CASPER,

I'll lay 8 to 5 that if this thread disappears (like a ghost) another manifistation will materialize within 24 hrs. My ESPN tells me this will be a reoccuring nightmare for the king and his court until satisfaction is dispensed.

night, night don't let the sunlight bite:)
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Now thats funny!!!!!!!! Dont let the day light bite!!!!!!!!:D
 
Dawgie said:
I agree with you but when you get into legal matters the expense sometimes cannot be justified. Lawyers go for $250.00 per hour and up. Small claims court may be an answer and the situation may be found in your favor but that is about it. You won but how are you going to collect the money??????? Or the cue?????? Legal matters aren't all that simple.
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tort lawyers work for a cut of the judgment. Also, if there are a lot of unhappy people then class action is possible. And of course there is always small claims. Those are just the justice system recourses.

Among other options are, oh I dunno, letting everyone know what kind of person KV really is? Taking people's money (if that indeed turns out to be the case) will potentially cost him a lot more in the long run if it destroys his business.

But considering these issues are long off. Gotta figure out what's really going on with him first, although all indications are increasingly negative...
 
ribdoner said:
CASPER,

My ESPN tells me this will be a reoccuring nightmare for the king and his court until satisfaction is dispensed.

night, night don't let the sunlight bite:)
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Hey ribdoner ,

What did I do for this to be a reoccuring nightmare ... lol... All my transactions have been smooth as silk so far ... I love this place ... The hardest thing for me so far was unwrapping the cue that Josh Hilliard sent me that guy wraps a package it took me like a day to get to the cue underneath all that packaging ...lol...
 
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bestkites said:
I have a feeling that this thread might end up getting deleted.
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I don't think this thread would be deleted unless it turns into name calling and meanness. So far, there seems to be a civil discussion in this thread.

I know there's a lot of people that sent deposits/paid in full, but I honestly don't think he's trying to screw anyone over.
 
I have not had any dealings with Kevin , i have spoke to him before about repairs before i got my own equipment.

he seems like a nice guy but this has nothing to do with that, he is a cue maker(assembler-i think this is a real grey area) that has made promise's and had not produced.
if indeed there are friends and inlaws here that feel they should defend him, that is fine . but i think they should get the real story for everyone
( i personally dont care except for the heath issues) so we can know the truth. shouldnt be that hard for inlaw to contact wife and get kevin on phone or ask her.

oh , some of the comments here are very childish. this is and adult forum is it not

carl shealy
 
his thread is completely dissappointing to me on multiple levels. Most notably though is that an upstart cuemaker was able to get a good business start primarily through the AZ community. What a great story it was.

At times I overlooked kv's brashness and aggressivenes. I defended him from what I percieved as a pack mentality. I even purchased a cue and donated it to the windy city tournament for a raffle.

My grandfather always said that "everything comes out in the wash". Our capitalistic society is proven healthy here when a community can create success, and when necessary, negate that success. Kv has proven his critics right. He has let down the very community that allowed for his achievements. He has, through his own actions, disappointed those that gave him the benefit of the doubt and supported him.

Kv has some real, honest explaining to do. In the end, everyone understands that life situations can change. The shame here isn't that kv hasn't kept his deadlines. The shame lies in his lack of communication and the disrespect it shows to his paying, waiting customers. The shame is real, and sadly, its all kevins.

Rg
 
I don't think this thread would be deleted unless it turns into name calling and meanness.
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name calling and meaness doesn't get threads delted.go look at the thread about Eddie Wheat running in the cuemaker section.they are being twice as mean and there is much more name calling than the lst KV thread that got deleted.

the last thread that got deleted about KV was started by Vinnbarooch and it was completely civil compared to the thread in the cuemaker section.

i think there are other reasons that threads get deleted or locked and i am not going inot them here,but i think alot of members know the reasons.
 
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