Kick at this!

[Cornerman]

Thanks Fred,

When that someone made the comment, "Thats not what he would have done." I asked him, "Ok what would you do?" He produced your shot. Which I admit is standard.

On a bar table, I think your shot is also standard. In fact, the more I look at it, the more I like it.

He argued, "Don't go three rails if you can go two. Don't go two rails if you can go one. And to a point he was right. I just felt better with this one.

I hear this a lot, but, IMO, it's not great advice. Multi-rail shots often have more margin of error. Same goes for multi-rail position. But, on a bar table, you will see a lot more single rail patterns.

Fred

 

[Colin Colenso]

I would look at the 2 railer firing up the other end of the table.

Aiming to miss the jaw by about 3" with a tip of running english. There's a chance this way of potting your ball. Only worthwhile if you know the table pretty well and know your angles.

Still not saying it would be my final choice, but that shot would tempt me. Making shots like that tend to intimidate / frustrate a lot of opponents too

 

[Eric.]

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Of course, his response shot may exactly be the same as yours.

Fred

I'm not sure I like this option. The problem is that this kick is highly speed sensitive. If you hit it too soft, you might not get a rail. If you hit it too firm, you might kick the 9 out of the way and leave a cut on the 8 into the far corner.. or a cross side bank.

If I were feeling aggressive, I would:

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Using low right spin, with a medium stroke, two rail to try to make the 9 ball into the corner. If you make it, you might have a shot (or bank) on the 8 ball. If you miss, you might leave an awkward bank, with the CB on the end rail, that your opponent might, by the grace of God, miss and give you another shot. I feel that since you are a heavy underdawg, you have to go for it.

The only safety I liked was Cuetech's masse off the end rail, into the 9. It's not too tough to execute and can have good results.

IMO!


Eric

 

[Snapshot9]

My .02 cents

I don't like the 2 rail shot because if the hit or speed is off any, you leave the 8 down corner. I think the 1 rail kick hitting the top of the 9 is best. The cue comes back out towards opposite side pocket, and 9 goes towards the head end rail which even if he happened to bank the 8 in, leaves a hard
shape shot for the 9. (Double your pleasure, double your fun, leave 2 hard
shots instead of just one).

 

[steev]

hmm, i wonder why no one has said this, but...jump the damn thing. maybe it's cause i'm left-handed and it's a MUCH easier reach for me. depending on your jump shot and the angles (you said it's a fast table), i could see:

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or:

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or:

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i'd probably try the third one.

-s

and yes, i know i'm selling out if i miss. so, don't miss, eh?

 

[Eric.]

I don't like the 2 rail shot because if the hit or speed is off any, you leave the 8 down corner. I think the 1 rail kick hitting the top of the 9 is best. The cue comes back out towards opposite side pocket, and 9 goes towards the head end rail which even if he happened to bank the 8 in, leaves a hard
shape shot for the 9. (Double your pleasure, double your fun, leave 2 hard
shots instead of just one).

Dude,

They're playing *8-ball*.


Eric

 

[pharaoh68]

I have to say that I disagree with pushing the 8 into the nine and playing the two rail kick. While the two rail kick works, its going to be tough to guage the right speed. By going long rail then short rail, you could hit the 9 pretty fat and send it off the rail and out of the way. Now your opponent has a straight shot at the 8. And though I like pushing the 8 into the 9 better, I would not want to risk misjudging the speed AND giving my opponent ball in hand!

If I were in that situation, I would play the one rail, cross table kick and play it with a little extra speed. The chances of making the hit are a lot better as you just have to find a midpoint on the rail, and, if you play it right, the cue ball comes off the nine and leaves nothing but a bank or a LOOOOONG cut to the far end of the table.

 

[Eric.]

i'm pretty sure he knows that. maybe you should re-read.

steev,

Maybe I'm missing something...

"My .02 cents
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I don't like the 2 rail shot because if the hit or speed is off any, you leave the 8 down corner. I think the 1 rail kick hitting the top of the 9 is best. The cue comes back out towards opposite side pocket, and 9 goes towards the head end rail which even if he happened to bank the 8 in, leaves a hard
shape shot for the 9. (Double your pleasure, double your fun, leave 2 hard
shots instead of just one).
__________________
Scott 'The Shot' Fraser "

Basically, Scott is saying that he would like to kick the 9 into the head rail and leave the bank on the 8 ball because even if you made the 8 ball, you would still have to bank the 9 ball. If that were the case, you wouldn't have to bank the 8 ball, you would have BALL-IN-HAND (assuming we're talkin 9 ball). If we're talkin 8 ball, after he banked the 8 ball in, who cares what shape you have for the 9 ball, the game is over.

Am I missing something?


Eric

 

[pharaoh68]

steev,

Maybe I'm missing something...

Basically, Scott is saying that he would like to kick the 9 into the head rail and leave the bank on the 8 ball because even if you made the 8 ball, you would still have to bank the 9 ball. If that were the case, you wouldn't have to bank the 8 ball, you would have BALL-IN-HAND (assuming we're talkin 9 ball). If we're talkin 8 ball, after he banked the 8 ball in, who cares what shape you have for the 9 ball, the game is over.

Am I missing something?


Eric

Yes. You and Scott are both missing something. The big, bold-faced words at the start of this thread that says:

The Game: 8-Ball

 

[zeeder]

i'm pretty sure he knows that. maybe you should re-read.

No, he said, "if he happens to bank the 8 in he leaves a tough shot on the 9"...lol. After you make the 8 you're done in 8-ball.

 

[Eric.]

Yes. You and Scott are both missing something. The big, bold-faced words at the start of this thread that says:

The Game: 8-Ball

Pharoah,

I know the game was 8 ball, I was explaining to Scott that he may be confused...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot9
I don't like the 2 rail shot because if the hit or speed is off any, you leave the 8 down corner. I think the 1 rail kick hitting the top of the 9 is best. The cue comes back out towards opposite side pocket, and 9 goes towards the head end rail which even if he happened to bank the 8 in, leaves a hard
shape shot for the 9. (Double your pleasure, double your fun, leave 2 hard
shots instead of just one).

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Dude,

They're playing *8-ball*.


Eric
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Eric >has to 'splain everthin

 

[Eric.]

After reading some of the posts in this thread, I'm wondering if I mistakenly posted to the MENSA board, by accident.


Eric >not a member of MENSA

 

[pharaoh68]

Pharoah,

I know the game was 8 ball, I was explaining to Scott that he may be confused...
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Eric >has to 'splain everthin

After reading some of the posts in this thread, I'm wondering if I mistakenly posted to the MENSA board, by accident.

Eric-
If this were a MENSA-endorsed site, your blatant misuse of a comma in the latter quote and your careless misspelling of the moniker "Pharaoh" would have resulted in your dismissal almost immediately!!!

Just kidding. My bad. I thought that you thought it was 8-ball too.

 

[Cornerman]

Just kidding. My bad. I thought that you thought it was 8-ball too.

LOL!!! You really are losing it. Eric did think it was 8-ball.

Fred <~~~ cuz it was 8-ball

 

[pharaoh68]

LOL!!! You really are losing it. Eric did think it was 8-ball.

Fred <~~~ cuz it was 8-ball

"I mean, you can get a good look a butcher's a** by sticking your head in there but... no wait. its gotta be your bull!" -Tommy Callahan (Tommny Boy)

I am losing it Fred!

 

[Eric.]

Eric-
If this were a MENSA-endorsed site, your blatant misuse of a comma in the latter quote and your careless misspelling of the moniker "Pharaoh" would have resulted in your dismissal almost immediately!!!

Just kidding. My bad. I thought that you thought it was 8-ball too.

Umm, Pharaoh, you might want to double check my punctuation on that latter quote, LOL! I guess you ain't in MENSA either (j/k)



Eric >never read Hooked on Phonics

 

[pharaoh68]

Umm, Pharaoh, you might want to double check my punctuation on that latter quote, LOL! I guess you ain't in MENSA either (j/k)



Eric >never read Hooked on Phonics

Always one to nit-pick and never one to back down, I did, in fact, double-check your quote for grammatical errors. It was your use of the second comma (", by accident") to which I was referring. The comma was unneccessary and therefore, erroneous.
Furthermore, the expression 'by accident' is also grammatically improper, though it has come to be considered commonplace in the English vernacular and is seldom corrected. A proper alternative would be to say "mistakenly" or "accidentally".

Again, only kidding Eric (though these are factual statements).

 

[Eric.]

Always one to nit-pick and never one to back down, I did, in fact, double-check your quote for grammatical errors. It was your use of the second comma (", by accident") to which I was referring. The comma was unneccessary and therefore, erroneous.
Furthermore, the expression 'by accident' is also grammatically improper, though it has come to be considered commonplace in the English vernacular and is seldom corrected. A proper alternative would be to say "mistakenly" or "accidentally".

Again, only kidding Eric (though these are factual statements).

Nit pick?! Dude, whose the one picking on grammatical errors?! Hell, I never claimed to be the sharpest knife in this drawer. Iz jus luckee to be ables to tipe at all.

FWIW, I just ran my sentence thru the ol "MS spellin n grammmer" checker and it said I was okey dokey.

You got me on the "never want to back down" thing. Hell, I live in the land of the "type A" personalities


Eric >the confrontational one

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Im really surprised nobody else likes the masse shot. If your ability to masse is decent I think it's the best shot.

 

[Williebetmore]

Wow, I look at this and see the one-rail kick (as Andrew Manning suggests) to be the obvious best shot. Though the 2-railer gives you a much "bigger ball" to hit the 9, the chances of selling out a shot on the 8 down the rail seem higher; you could also end up sending the cue ball above the 8 (bumping the 9 out of it's way) with the 2-rail option.

I would kick directly at the 9, favoring the lower portion of the 9, at about 3 rail speed. If you do anything except double kiss the 9ball, your cue ball will go back across the table, leaving your opponent a bank at best. If you can't hit the 9-ball at least 9 out of 10 times, you need some kicking lessons from Jerry B. (if you'd been at DCC this year the lesson was free).

P.S. - If allowed, I also sort of like the intentional foul of snuggling the 8 against the 9 (if you know your opponent; the crafty opponent will just play a similar safety back at you and you will have a more difficult kick).

P.P.S. - I would like to hear SJM's thoughts on this one (we usually disagree on defensive play, and I find that I'm usually wrong).