KInd Attn All and Mr Jforney36

Monto P2

Asia Billiards
Silver Member
Hello everyone and Mr Jforney36,

I bought a capone cue from jforney36 and he took money from two people.He knowingly lied to both of us and took money from via and from me.
He has shipped cue to via and look what i have from him.

I paid 78ousd thru paypal 270 thru western union and same night he took 1500usd for same cue from via which he sold me for 1050usd without the case.beacause via is my friend and we talked same night that we got to know that we bought same cue. i sent the 270 thru western union next morning.if u were so honest than why dint u stop me from paying next day.u cud have sent me a msg that dont pay cue has been sold to someone else. but u did not.so ur intentions were not clear.so when i have doubt i send mail to paypal.
Still knowing that u tried to cheat i still said on the thread not blaming u ,i said it be a misunderstanding,i tried not to spoil ur reputation.but it was a clear case of cheating.
i let u give cue to via though i paid before him.because he is my friend and second he paid u more.so i dont want to make u loose money.i spent over 50usd in bank charges.but all i ask u was send my 1050 back.
And look what i get in return.
i would like to tell u that this is my hard earned money and i will not leave it till my last breath.
So kindly western union me and i will close paypal claim once i get my money.if not i will pursue it further.
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I once again request u to kn
 
Question that I'm not understanding.. How does a claim stop money coming from the bank account and going to the paypal account?

I thought it stops money going from paypal to the bank? Not from the bank to paypal..

Just asking I'm not too sure..
 
The language was uncalled for surely.

Dunno if he will post his side of the story but i dun see how that would matter since collecting money from 2 different party for one same cue is definitely wrong no matter how unless he had 2 of the same identical cues!

People with some itrader are also not reliable these days. But with so many people offering escrow service here why not use them to spare you the pain.

If i found out that I am being taken for a ride in a deal I would also try to stop payment. There is really nothing wrong with that!

Good luck. Let hear it from the seller please.
 
I will agree that the language he used was nowhere near in line. But to be honest, it doesnt look like you gave him much time to respond at all. It appears as though you made a claim that very day. And who knows, he may not have even been around his computer to respond to you or send the money. I have spoken with him several times and seen him sell cues before and never heard of any wrong doing.

Now on the lines of paypal, it is my understanding that when a claim is made, it freezes his account. No funds in or out. He cant even buy anything with it until the claim is resolved. So in a sense I can definitely see why he is upset.

And I am not saying he is right in selling the cue to someone else after you had paid. But I have talked to several people at the same time about a cue and can see how something like this could happen.

Good luck and I hope this issue gets resolved.
 
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My side of the story is: I had 2 people paypal me money for a cue. I told one azer I'd told the cue but didnt know if he'd pay so I was setting up a second to purchase the cue. Well in the mean time both had paypaled me the money. The funds got transfered from my account to my bank account. I told monto that it'll take 3-4 days like paypal says to transfer funds back from my bank account to paypal. Well the same day Monto files a claim with paypal and they stop the transfer for some reason. now with the claim I can't transfer the money to my account to pay him. as you all can see I have an excellent I trader with some great people on here. I just refunded an azer's funds for my lathe he paid me for that I couldn't get shipped to him because I am stuck on the road with business. Like I said monto you need to stop the claim to get paid.

End of story

Period...
 
Yeah but don't you have to manually transfer funds from your paypal to bank?

They do not automatically take funds from my paypal account and send to my bank unless I did a withdraw..

So if that's the case you would of known you had two payments for the same cue yet you still send both of the payment to your bank?

Just asking.. Don't get mad at me..
 
I don't know the whole deal and its not my business to start a flame war if you will.

All I can say is that I purchased a BLACKCREEK from JFORNEY36 that a lot of AZ members were nervous about. The cue is perfect, the deal went perfect and I myself could not be happier.

Thanks JFORNEY for the best hitting cue in my collection.

just my .02
jjollie
 
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Sir i would not take any action until i get paid. u can western union me money and i will stop the claim.i have no intention of stopping ur business.even it was my right to have the cue u sold me for 1050.i let u send to another person cause he paid u more.and i thought why should i make u loose money.and the day u took money and we got know that both of us paid. we tried to contact u many times but u did not respond. so i was natrually scared and for me 1050 is a lot of money.so i send them a mail.
Now only thing i can do is send me money thru western union and i wil stop the claim.i have also incurred many expenses in this transaction which i am ready to forget.all i want is my 1050usd

it was ur mistake that u were trying to work on 2 deals.but let me ask u why dint u stop me from sending u another 270 from western union?
if u make mistake u shud bear the consequences and not get angry.even if u were in my place u will do same.had u come nicely to me i would have stopped the claim.instead of being sorry u abused me.
 
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There's been a lot of blah lately on here.. What's up with that..
 
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jjollie said:
I don't know the whole deal and its not my business to start a flame war if you will.

All I can say is that I purchased a BLACKCREEK from JFORNEY36 that a lot of AZ members were nervous about. The cue is perfect, the deal went perfect and I myself could not be happier.

just my .02
jjollie


and from his rep it appears he does good business.. We all make mistakes.. Everyone will have one bad blah when it's all said and done.. I'm sure Forney will make it right for Monto..
 
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i have already taken a hit by not getting the cue. also cost incurred for sending money.
i just want my money i sent
 
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I will send money as soon as the claim is lifted from my account and I can do so.. Until then I can't do anything with my account transfers. Your all right this all smells fishy with alot of new monto p2 here lately and this happens. I've happen here for years and I have a great rep and will take care of this but I will not send funds via western union because this doesn't settle the paypal claim.. Sorry I have 2 paypal accounts for problems like this. I will just use my other account and you won't get paid. We can do it the simple way. You lift the claim and I will pay you in 3-4 business days as this is how long it'll take to transfer funds from my bank account to paypal. If you don't want to do it this way when I beleive there is a scam here.

Thanks
 
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NINEBALL: what you mean hang in there MONTO... I have been here since aug 2005 with over 200 posts and 12 Itraders... Monto joined been here for a month with only 36 post most about this issue and only selling stuff. ZERO Itraders and nothing to back him.. Come one here.. Another scam from overseas.
 
JFORNEY36 said:
NINEBALL: what you mean hang in there MONTO... I have been here since aug 2005 with over 200 posts and 12 Itraders... Monto joined been here for a month with only 36 post most about this issue and only selling stuff. ZERO Itraders and nothing to back him.. Come one here.. Another scam from overseas.


You took it wrong...

I said hang in there Monto.. As in everything will be ok...
 
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Monto: As for your $270 Western Union payment I ever got that payment sorry.. Money owed to you is $780.00..
 
JFORNEY36 said:
Sorry I have 2 paypal accounts for problems like this. I will just use my other account and you won't get paid.
Thanks


How is there a scam from him when he sent you $1000? You accepted two different payments for one cue. I'm out of this from here on..

Personally, From hearing you say "do this or do that or you will not get paid" makes me not want to mess with you..

That's just me though..
 
JFORNEY36 said:
NINEBALL: what you mean hang in there MONTO... I have been here since aug 2005 with over 200 posts and 12 Itraders... Monto joined been here for a month with only 36 post most about this issue and only selling stuff. ZERO Itraders and nothing to back him.. Come one here.. Another scam from overseas.


Can you explain how Monto is scaming you please...I'm a bit confused.... Monto sent you the funds via paypal correct? Have you transferred his paypal funds to your bank account, and if so have they reached your bank account yet. Secondly have you received the money order Monto sent you, and lastly could you please explain again why you accepted funds from Monto, and Via on the same cue I got a little confused with your explanation..
 
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I'm done with this too. If I can't transfer money to my account becasue he has a claim then he can't get paid. I don't know what part of I"LL TRANSFER THE MONEY TO HIM AS SOON AS THE MONEY HITS MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT WHICH TAKES 3-4 Business days. I have never once said didn't owe him the money.. All he has to do is lift the claim and wait a few days and he'll have the money. End of issue. Ya'll know that if I send him money via mail or western union that still don't satisfiy paypal's claim.
 
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