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memikey said:
Not by everybody;):)


Lol... almost everybody.

It's funny. Looking back at the entire IPT journey from start to finish, it sad to see how everybody took Kevin's bait.

When I first spoke out about my lack of trust with the IPT, their leader, and their lack of an effective business model, I was catapulted to the top of "almost" everybody's shitlist. I remember people not returning my calls and instead sending me hostile e-mails or sending me "screw you" messages through mutual friends. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it really showed me who my real friends were.

I know what its like to show up to a non-IPT sanctioned tournament - as a spectator - as a person that supports professional pool and the players - and to be treated like a piece of $hit just because I did not agree or support Kevin Trudeau. Back in those days, it was cool to be in support of the person that was pushing all of this money into professional pool. If you didn't support KT, then you wanted the players to remain poor. Whatever. These days, (post IPT) it's cool to say what a scheister Kevin is and was - and how nobody ever trusted him, even when the IPT was going strong. Frankly, that's just how life is. It's human nature.

We still don't have an answer to the problems of professional pool. We still have not moved forward with something - anything - that will be long lasting and prosperous for the professional players. I view the IPT as a distraction, a detour, a waste of time and energy, but it was also a valuable lesson. Hopefully the players and the fans learned that it takes more than large amounts of money to turn the game around. It takes time, it takes teamwork, it takes dedication, it takes effective marketing, it takes excitement in and around our game. Tournament pool on television is not going to attract viewers or sponsors to professional pool. Professionalism and effective leadership will. It will take some time to wash off the stench of Kevin Trudeau. We need to be prepared and ready to present ourselves as professionals in the sports market or we will continue to be an easy mark for the next KT that comes to us with a "sure thing".

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To BlackJack

No matter how well said it seems you just can't spook people you have to let them get stung, its unfortunate.

I hate to focus on the faults of the past, I really enjoy developing infrastructures with clear business management objectives.

Plant an evergreen and reduce carbon emissions.
Composting can reduce your tax costs.

this would be my caption for you pic:
KT using fashion for destructive ends.
 
ineedaspot said:
Your point about business practices today may be valid. But singling out Gates and Trump as scumbags as you did above in this thread is somewhat irresponsible, given that neither of them have even been accused of ethical transgressions comparable to what KT appears to have done based on public records of government investigations.

I'm not a big Microsoft fan, but the "theft" you accuse Gates of involved unpatented intellectual property, and even that movie points out that the windows concept was developed by Xerox-PARC, and was first "stolen" by Steve Jobs. The point the movie was trying to make, IMO, is that business is hardball, and when the computer industry was getting started, the ethical and legal boundaries weren't clearly delineated, it was a bit of a free-for-all. And Trump, as arrogant and boorish as one might find him, hasn't to my knowledge been accused of anything unethical (not that I would know); his big "scandal" involved almost going broke some 10-15 years ago.

As for KT, well, you can read about him on Wikipedia, or on the AZ boards if you want a more angry point of view. Even compared to your everyday semi-corrupt businessman, you cross a line when, say, you start to profit from the false hope of the terminally ill.

Another thing is that most tycoon types do a lot of non-profit philanthropy work. Now, maybe you think it's just a PR stunt, but they still do it. Gates has donated some 30 billion dollars. And the philanthropy thing is especially true for people in self-help or pop-medicine. A lot of people write books that go against the grain of established medicine or psychology, and in almost all cases, the authors have non-profit foundations that generally try to "do good" in ways corresponding to their health advice.

For example, Dr Phil, Deepak Chopra, Anthony Robbins, and (the late) Dr Atkins, all have charitable foundations that are basically in concert with their medical/self help books. Now, I'm not vouching for the validity of what any of them say, I actually haven't read anything by any of these guys except what's on the news or in magazines. And I don't mean to lump them together, except to point out that they really appear to believe that their take on health and well-being can help the world. But I'm not aware of any KT Natural Cures foundation for the betterment of mankind.

Nice post and your points are well taken. I mentioned gates and trump off the top of my head to be honest. If i were to come up with better examples, i would say people like, lets see.... whoever the guy is who is making the most money on wall-street right now (i have no idea who he is), the top real estate agent in your state etc....

In any case, i'm not exactly equating gates to kt, just saying that i will personally guarantee that along gate's road to success he has done MANY questionalble and unethical things, and i bet there are hundredes of people out there who would attest to this. but he is just one single example of course.

so, nice post, thanks for your persepective.
 
Heres what I dont get even though the players got some money. And players from the opening events got paid. And the players were wined and dined.

They are mad at the IPT founder still.

I could understand the players being a bit pushy with their demands. But to be mad I dont know.
 
Well

we all know hindsight is 20-20, but if you ever meet someone and around them for awhile, and you find yourself asking yourself, "Is this person (man or woman) for real?" It is a pretty safe bet that they aren't.

Kt has paid his 'homage' to the players, enough to create 'reasonable doubt', he will fade into the sunset now without a lawsuit in sight.
 
justnum said:
Heres what I dont get even though the players got some money. And players from the opening events got paid. And the players were wined and dined.

They are mad at the IPT founder still.

To me the reason so many people are so angry is very clear: He fired a $3,000,000 air barrel at an entire international roster of Pro pool players. Doing this for a $20 bet can easily get you into a fight. How can you do this to hundreds of life-long professional money players, not to mention their backers and the Pool industry itself and not expect hatred?

He compounded this by acting as if he had done nothing wrong, continuing to take Qualifier fees, sell memberships & online merchandise, pretending that there would be a 2007 season and that would everything would be just fine. He is still pretending right now with zero evidence that he has done a single thing to actively resolve the problems that he created.

The other reason IMHO this situation is so upsetting is because it was entirely avoidable. He did pay out millions and he did put on some of the finest Pool tournaments ever seen in the USA, both for the players and the fans. He did have a chance to rebuild Pro Pool and get major televised coverage and sponsorship deals. Maybe everyone could have gone home in a limo.

But it didn't work out because he wasn't either smart enough or honest enough.

If he had simply been honest enough to announce prior to the Reno event that he was running out of capitol due to being unable to secure as much sponsorship as anticipated and that Reno's prize purse would be cut by 50% I believe that no-one would have gotten angry. Everyone would still have shown up as a $1,5000,000 prize purse was still 10x more than almost any other Pro tournament around. In fact had he would have had probably the majority of players and fans consciously working harder to support and promote the IPT and help out to ensure the IPT did not collapse.

If he had simply been smart enough he would not put out bizarre public statements and speeches that he clearly just makes up as he goes along with no intention of backing them up, thus raising expectations sky high from anyone who believed him. If he did seek advice from others (Which seems doubtful) clearly he is not smart enough to know bad advice from good.

Put it another way - Let's say he spent approx. $5,000,000 in total on the IPT. Let's say you gave those same 5 very large ones to almost anyone with a modicum of experience in Pro Pool they could have created a tour easily as good that would not have collapsed in only 6 months.

It is clear that anyone who is prepared to invest a few million dollars for a few years can OWN Pro Pool. You don't have to be either smart or honest. The thing that still isn't clear is whether a Pro tour can be created that would both re-coup that investment and be reasonably self-sustaining over time.
 
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AuntyDan said:
It is clear that anyone who is prepared to invest a few million dollars for a few years can OWN Pro Pool. You don't have to be either smart or honest. The thing that still isn't clear is whether a Pro tour can be created that would both re-coup that investment and be reasonably self-sustaining over time.

Great post, Dan.

In the midst of the crumbling IPT were several of us that were doing our best to keep professional pool from flatlining. I had several conversation with a lot of people within the industry, to include Eydie Romano, Charlie Williams, Mark Griffin, and Frank Alvarez. In speaking with all of these people about forming a self sustaining tour, the one topic that was discussed more than any other was MONEY, not pool.

Without going into intricate details, we knew the amount of money it would take to sustain the tour for the first three years. This number came from doing research and creating a business plan to go along with the numbers. From there we would have had to constantly reevaluate the numbers and adjust according to the success of the plan we were trying to execute. We also had to financially prepare BEYOND that 3 years. We had to look at cost of venue, marketing, licensing, prize funds, etc.

Sadly, the numbers that I pushed around were not much higher than the purses offered today by many of the current tours.

Kvenin Trudea and his IPT did not do this, and if they did, they did not do it correctly. Kevin's business model was this -

A) I am rich, therefore I am in a position to toss my money around

B) All I have to do is impress the pool players bytelling them how rich I am

C) All I have to do is lie to the players, the industry, and the fans because I think they are all morons that would believe anything as long as a buck is attached to it.

D) I'm a liar and lying is what I do best, so reeling 'em in will be easy, and funny as hell and I intend to laugh at them behind their backs.

E) I will aggressively brand anybody that sees right through my bullshit as negative, sore, and a failure without vision. Agree with me or be ostracized.

F) If this doesn't work, I'm gonna bail just like I've bailed on every other scam I've been involved in over the past 20 years. I won't feel bad because I have no conscience - never had one to begin with - so who cares if I shatter their dreams? This is all about me anyway, tough $hit.

That was Kevin's plan from day 1. This was a write off for him. He never had any intention of committing himself to the IPT. Go back and listen to some of his players meeting speeches and you can hear the subtlty in his voice when he talks about the long term.H He never wanted it for the long term.

When creating a tour, there are 3 major areas that need to be taken into consideration:

Venues

Venues cost money. They are not cheap. They don't allow pool tournaments to be held in their buildings for free. The venue availability will affect your schedule.

Prize money

Prize money doesn't fall from the sky or grow on trees. It comes from sponsors, entry fees, and sometimes the promoter's back pocket.

Marketing and Advertising

This isn't cheap either. Advertising can cost just as much as the venue. Marketing products such as T-shirts and other items are costly to produce. You also have to ensure that your event draws players and fans - sometimes this doesnt work out as well as you want it to.

I left out paying yourself, employees, hotel fees, licensing, and about 200 other obscure costs that people never think of or take for granted. Its not easy to put on an event, and the IPT put on some of the best, so I know it cost a pretty penny to produce the Kevin & Deno Show.

My idea has been quite simple from the start. Instead of tournament format, promote pool in a challenge format like this for example - Main event - "Keith "Earthquake" McCready challenges Lil John Macias, 9 ball - 10 ahead for $25,000 - Atlanta, Georgia - Open challenge table available for minimum challenges of $10,000 - event starts with 3 ring games in all disciplines - $5K buy in - must bring your own backer or your own cash to participate". Produce this, record it on dvd, and then market the hell out of it in every way possible.

The players can be sponsored privately or corporately. It's up to them to work up the dough. After a while (if it is successful) we can have advertising sponsors put up the prize funds. This would add excitement to the game and give pool the "anything can happen at any given time" appeal that Vince McMahon markets with the scripted WWE. People can place bets on the matches - the house keeps a percentage of all bets - or they can charge a fee for placing them. It's not rocket science to produce something like this, events would last 1 night - you could broadcast it on cable and people would watch it. Take the veil off of pool and market it the way that it is played throughout the world by the best players. That excitement is what drew us all to pool, why not bottle it up and market it?
 
Blackjack,

Wouldn't it be easier to find venues that already have pool tables? There are nice rooms around the world that I would think would be more than happy to host a large event with world class players. That would be a significant decrease in costs. In fact, they might PAY YOU if you had a bidding war, kind of like the Olympics, especially if you were to get TV exposure.
 
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