Large favor I owe cuemaker Chuck Starkey

David, now admit it; you're POed because Chuck and his wife suggested that you have a mental problem, and to retaliate you want to put them out of business. That is what this is all about, right?

Maybe you should take a step backward and look at their side of this thing and how they came to their conclusion. And maybe...just maybe... you will see their point.

Consider this from just some of your recent posts: You constantly refer to karma, zen cueism, and then say things like "the cues chi and mine flow together."

I'm not saying you have mental issues but I can see where they were coming from. You, too, should be able to see it and do the right thing and give up your crusade to ruin his business.
 
Well David, like I said to you on RSB, I wish you the best of luck in your quest to ruin this guy while at the same time I don't understand your bitterness at all. You've commented that I have problems with my reading comprehension, however most of the people here have come to same conculsion that I have with your attitude. FWIW, I'll give you $500 for the Suburu.
 
Dhakala said:
When a customer chooses to air dirty linen in public, he has no grievance if his own shorts are hung out to dry too.


Funny how life hands these types of things out huh...
 
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Why didn't you just copy and paste this whole thread from RSB? You're an ass, Dhakala, And I wish you'd just leave and go back to RSB. You're no more Zen than the dog shit it in my yard.

Andy
kept my mouth shut to this guy for as long as I could.
 
I was thinking about trying a moori soft. I usually play with a Tiger Sniper tip on most of my cues, except my break cue (phenolic tip/ferrule). What do you all think about Moori soft as compared to the Sniper? Or should I just save money and go back to a LePro? :D :D :D

-yow!
 
Charlie Edwards said:
LOL...that's some really funny stuff. It looks like you are using a little side-step instead of your Zen. LMAO........

Stop dodging and put your PM where your mouth is. Or are you afraid that a master cuemaker will destroy your comfy little misconceptions?
 
Jeff said:
So let me get this straight,

You quoted a source who had nasty things to say about Chuck Starkey to somehow make your accusations more believable.
Stop lying, Jeff. You want to twist, not straighten.

And you say you are protecting the identity of this source I assume because it may damage or jeopardize his career and livelihood.

Never said any such thing, liar. I said he wants to choose his correspondents, a privilege that I forgo by entering this public forum.

Well I was contacted by someone who knows you and he said you were a "lowlife scumbag who does this kind of crap over multiple forums just to get attention". Of course I can not reveal the identity of the source. :) :)

You don't have to; I know of whom you speak. He too is a member of my F. A. N. club. I can explain the acronym only via PM here.
 
BrooklynJay said:
And where's the cue today? In your posession? Nope. Returned to Starkey 'cause it's not a Predator shaft.

Where's the "I just couldn't let the poor thing live out it's life that way" in that?

With a lovely handle of high-quality maple, in place of Starkey's crime. Your reading comprehension is abysmal, too.

And where's "good karma" in returning it to him so that he can sell it to "another more gullable customer" - shouldn't you keep it so he can't dupe people again?

Keeping one of his cues would do very little to prevent him from duping gullible people again. This thread will do more. The "good karma" is getting a similar cue from a master cuemaker. Karma is what happens to you, not what you do.

Shouldn't you take clear photos of the bad workmanship done by Starkey and post those photos rather than hearsay and testimony from an unnamed expert cuemaker?

No, because photos would not show the bad workmanship clearly, so they would add nothing to the testimony.

You can't hide the cuemakers identity and expect people to just take your word for it if he's your expert witness.

I'm not hiding it. You and others are hiding from it. Not one of you has shown the courage to PM me for the opportunity to correspond with the cuemaker.

:p
 
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Charlie Edwards said:
David, now admit it; you're POed because Chuck and his wife suggested that you have a mental problem, and to retaliate you want to put them out of business. That is what this is all about, right?

Nope. The Starkeys' opinion of my mental health carries no more weight with me than Chuck's opinion of what's "screwed up" about a cue.

I want Chuck out of the cuemaking business because he is harming cues, customers, other cuemakers, and vendors such as Predator and Tiger.

BTW, cue crimes are only Chuck's hobby. His business is jewelry.

Consider this from just some of your recent posts: You constantly refer to karma, zen cueism, and then say things like "the cues chi and mine flow together." I'm not saying you have mental issues but I can see where they were coming from.

If you saw where I am coming from, you would wish to be there.
 
Dhakala said:
I would be profoundly amused to hear from anyone who buys a cue from an incompetent, fraudulent cuemaker just to spite me. :D If it was Zen to dwell upon the past or the future, I would wager that I can guess the names of three AZBers who would do so.

If anyone chooses to buy a Chuck Starkey cue, I recommend one that is nothing more than unembellished wooden dowels stuck together end to end. I've played with such a Starkey since last Thanksgiving. It's very Zen in its simplicity and the richness of its cocobolo and curly/birdseye maple. I get a lot of compliments on it. Since I had a Sniper tip installed, the cue's chi and mine flow strongly together.

But avoid anything Starkey with splices or inlays, no matter how simple. He can't do them right (else he would, instead of just refunding money and shopping for a more gullible customer), doesn't care to, and will castigate you when it's unsatisfactory.



I'm beginning to see why message lengths here are limited to 1,500 characters, including white spaces.:rolleyes:

The two "favors" I'm repaying to Chuck are:

1. Concealing the hideously flawed maple in his first eBay sale of this cue - that side of the cue was conveniently face-down in the photos and unnoted in the description. No competent cuemaker would let such a POS out of his shop; and

2. Lying to me about the Predator 314 shaft in the second sale, not once but three times. He didn't have to check any "book" to know that the shaft was not a Predator before he listed it or sent me his confirmation letter. He didn't claim to have checked his "book" until I nailed him red-handed with Predator's and Clay Etheridge's testimony.

He's also peddling degraded Predator and Tiger shafts to an unknown number of others "all the time", without telling them that he has replaced the vendor's low-mass ferrules with his own. I'm sure Predator and Tiger won't appreciate the harm to their reputations done by this fraud. It also shows that he is abysmally ignorant of low-squirt shafts.

As for Chuck's claim to have invested "more than $500" in the cue's materials ($620+ in the first go-around), my cuemaker says,

Amazing... that cue with an ivory butt and joint would still be only $200 worth of materials. As it was, to have paid $500 he would have had to screw up about 4 whole cues to get the one (semi) good one.

Chuck now claims to be scheming to gouge a "local player", presumably someone who knows and trusts him, a thousand dollars for a cue that is "an absolute P O S. (of) Very shoddy workmanship," as another of his eBay customers recently put it in feedback. My cuemaker's appraisal is,

I think he's probably full of shit, (again) and will be lucky to get $400 for that pile of crap. If his buddy really wants to throw $1000 bucks away, and is ignorant as to what constitutes a quality cue, (and actually exists) maybe old Chuck will get to unload it after all.

BTW, the similiar cue being built by a master cuemaker will cost me $825, and I have not the slightest doubt that it will be flawless. We're on our third piece of snakewood now, the first two having turned down to the maker's dissatisfaction.


If your Cuemaker can build that cue with less than 200.00 in parts I would sure like to find his sources. The Tiger shaft blank costs 179.00 wholesale by iitself. A good piece of seasond Snakewood can easily cost 100.00 to 300.00. You also have the Ivory in the joint, rings, inlays and butt cap. There is also some money invested in the handle, coring wood, phenolics and such. Figures just don't add up.

As far as the "flaws" in the handle. Well these are not flaws at all but just natural occurances in wood. Some don't like that look and others do. There is a Wood Turner in the Cincinnati area who has had me build him three cues and this is the type would that he would demand as he says it gives the wood character. I, myself, like you, would rather have clear Maple but because it is not clear Maple certainly doesn't make it flawed. The last cue I built for this woodworker was made from Sappele. It is a extremely unique wood. I had two peices and one of them had both sap and heartwood making one side a very rich reddish brown color and the other side golden. This is the peice that he chose for the cue. Surprised me but it just goes to show there's an ass for every seat.

I do agree that if this cue was listed on e-bay that the so called "flawed" section should have been shown.

Dick
 
Dhakala said:
You don't have to; I know of whom you speak. He too is a member of my F. A. N. club. I can explain the acronym only via PM here.

... and you also clarified what "F.A.N." stands for on RSB - :rolleyes: - so why the secrecy?

This thread serves no other purpose but to expose the fact that you are unreasonable, vindictive, and very annoying. I hope Chuck Starkey's sales go up 500% as a result of you writing all of this garbage. Oh... and btw... your kid can have the Suburu -
:p :p :p
 
Dhakala said:
Stop lying, Jeff. You want to twist, not straighten.



Never said any such thing, liar. I said he wants to choose his correspondents, a privilege that I forgo by entering this public forum.

Wow, you sound just like 'Gremlin'...... come to think of it, you two do have something in common, you ****in' nut job.....
 
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So, allow me to sum it up - just to ensure I understand the root cause of your complaint with Starkey:

11/05: You buy a cue from CM Starkey. You like his work SO MUCH that you Order another cue from him.

3/06: Said Custom-Ordered cue is on Ebay. (Why?) When you order a custom cue, you pay for it, right? So why was YOUR cue on Ebay?

You use Buy-It-Now. The 2 of you are now conducting a simple Ebay-based transaction, correct?

You receive cue, don't like it, return it for refund which he promptly issues. NO PROBLEMS SO FAR

7/06: Same exact cue back on Ebay. The CM certainly has every right to sell the cue, even if YOU didn't like the wood. Why this listing was your concern, I'll never know.

But you don't just make it your concern, you BID on and BUY THE SAME CUE - AGAIN. You have made plans with the Phantom CM to have the handle replaced. Strange, but OK.

9/06: Phantom CM finishes re-working the cue, replaced handle, etc. Cue is in your possession (again) and NOW you notice the shaft doesn't have the P314 logo.

So you demand that the original CM Starkey issue you ANOTHER REFUND ON THE SAME CUE - a cue that is NO LONGER CONSIDERED A STARKEY CUE. It is now some hybrid Starkey/Phantom cue, but you still want Starkey to give your money back - again. Let's not forget that you purchased it THE SECOND TIME with the intent of having your PHANTOM CM re-work the cue, which he did.

Even though it is no longer a Starkey cue, CM Starkey issued you a FULL REFUND - AGAIN?!?

I am nonetheless dubious of the verocity of the statements alledgedly made by your Phantom CM. Discounting conjecture and unsubstantiated claims, you have provided nothing of any evidentiary value.

Have a toke on me. Izz good chit, man.
 
VonRhett said:
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So, allow me to sum it up - just to ensure I understand the root cause of your complaint with Starkey:

11/05: You buy a cue from CM Starkey. You like his work SO MUCH that you Order another cue from him.

3/06: Said Custom-Ordered cue is on Ebay. (Why?) When you order a custom cue, you pay for it, right? So why was YOUR cue on Ebay?

You use Buy-It-Now. The 2 of you are now conducting a simple Ebay-based transaction, correct?

You receive cue, don't like it, return it for refund which he promptly issues. NO PROBLEMS SO FAR

7/06: Same exact cue back on Ebay. The CM certainly has every right to sell the cue, even if YOU didn't like the wood. Why this listing was your concern, I'll never know.

But you don't just make it your concern, you BID on and BUY THE SAME CUE - AGAIN. You have made plans with the Phantom CM to have the handle replaced. Strange, but OK.

9/06: Phantom CM finishes re-working the cue, replaced handle, etc. Cue is in your possession (again) and NOW you notice the shaft doesn't have the P314 logo.

So you demand that the original CM Starkey issue you ANOTHER REFUND ON THE SAME CUE - a cue that is NO LONGER CONSIDERED A STARKEY CUE. It is now some hybrid Starkey/Phantom cue, but you still want Starkey to give your money back - again. Let's not forget that you purchased it THE SECOND TIME with the intent of having your PHANTOM CM re-work the cue, which he did.

Even though it is no longer a Starkey cue, CM Starkey issued you a FULL REFUND - AGAIN?!?

I am nonetheless dubious of the verocity of the statements alledgedly made by your Phantom CM. Discounting conjecture and unsubstantiated claims, you have provided nothing of any evidentiary value.

Have a toke on me. Izz good chit, man.

You missed a part. Starkey issued him a refund for the CUE PLUS THE WORK THE OTHER CUEMAKER DID. Unbelievable.

He had the cue in his possession twice and failed to notice that it was not a predator shaft until AFTER the work was done and he thought he could extract "the biggest pound of flesh" from Starkey.

Starkey did it just to be rid of dealing with him. Any judge/jury/arbitor/small claims court would have laughed this one out. Unless he could show that the original shaft was a predator, any reasonable person would conclude that he had reasonable time to examine this cue and should not have bid on it the second time.

It looks to me like the buyer in this case was angry and saw that by buying the cue he could cost Starkey more money because he knew the shaft wasn't a predator. So he bought it simply because he could get some measure of revenge on him.

My advice to anyone reading is to avoid doing ANY business of ANY kind with the author of this thread.

Cheers,
RC
 
Dhakala said:
Stop dodging and put your PM where your mouth is. Or are you afraid that a master cuemaker will destroy your comfy little misconceptions?
Have you gone completely frieking nuts? Me dodge you? LOL....I don't understand your BS remark about your MASTER CUEMAKER destroying my comfy little misconceptions. Do you think that I don't have any experience dealing with master cuemakers? If that is what you believe, you are very sadly mistaken.

Do you seriously think anyone is going to PM you and jump through hoops to get to your MASTER CUEMAKER? You are absolutely unbelieveable. BTW, to be fair to him you should let him know what will happen to him if he builds a cue you don't like. Just direct him to this thread, and then if he doesn't tell you to get lost, he deserves whatever he gets!
 
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I posted this to you on another site but decided to post it here since you are still online.....



Dave, Dave, Dave, DAVE! you bought the cue and returned the cue ! Re-purchased the same damn cue! altered the cue ! The cue maker not only took it back again but paid you for your alterations! and now you are slamming him all over the net! Think about this for just a second! I realize you are (for some reason) upset but consider this .... Anyone reading this is ....
A) Going to think you are nuts!
B) going to take your post as an endorsement of the Cue Maker ! take it from me many Cue Makers would not have taken it back the first time ! the rest that are honest and would have taken it back would have in no way take back a cue you had altered by another cue maker and then to boot no one would have paid you for the alterations you did to it after your second purchase!!!!! Hell if this guy had a cue I liked I would not hesitate to do business with him after your post! OH! I get it now you are actually using this to advertise for Mr Starkey !!! right?
 
I agree

MrLucky said:
I posted this to you on another site but decided to post it here since you are still online.....



Dave, Dave, Dave, DAVE! you bought the cue and returned the cue ! Re-purchased the same damn cue! altered the cue ! The cue maker not only took it back again but paid you for your alterations! and now you are slamming him all over the net! Think about this for just a second! I realize you are (for some reason) upset but consider this .... Anyone reading this is ....
A) Going to think you are nuts!
B) going to take your post as an endorsement of the Cue Maker ! take it from me many Cue Makers would not have taken it back the first time ! the rest that are honest and would have taken it back would have in no way take back a cue you had altered by another cue maker and then to boot no one would have paid you for the alterations you did to it after your second purchase!!!!! Hell if this guy had a cue I liked I would not hesitate to do business with him after your post! OH! I get it now you are actually using this to advertise for Mr Starkey !!! right?


I agree. I just did not understand you going back and buying the same cue or even going back to the cuemaker. I usually do not go back and spend money where I was not happy or satisfied.
 
straybullet said:
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This thread serves no other purpose but to expose the fact that you are unreasonable, vindictive, and very annoying. I hope Chuck Starkey's sales go up 500% as a result of you writing all of this garbage. Oh... and btw... your kid can have the Suburu -
:p :p :p

I sure agree with the above!

Gotta tell ya Dhakala, you sound like a bloody idiot, sorry no hard feelings. But you really do!

You have successfully discredited yourself on this thread and did the reverse of what your intent was to begin with...

Hope you have a great day!
 
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