Large screen TV help and opinions needed

BillPorter said:
When we bought the Sony, it was sitting right next to a Samsung DLP. At first glance, the Samsung picture looked more vivid and brighter. But it did not look as natural as the Sony. I can see how some people would prefer the image on the Samsung, but my wife and I both liked the image on the Sony better. BTW, if you want the Samsung to tone down the color saturation and edge enhancement to look more natural, then you would turn off the DNIe processing. But, unfortunately, you can't turn it off on the Samsung DLP if I recall correctly. Here's a snipet about DNIe:

"Samsung includes a separate game mode, which increases color saturation, edge enhancement, and overall brightness for a more vibrant, less realistic look that some gamers might prefer. Fortunately, Samsung's DNIe processing, which introduces more edge enhancement, is defeatable (in Movie mode, you can't even turn it on),"

The link for the above quote is: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-hp-s4253/4505-6482_7-31864380.html?tag=pdtl-list

NOTE: The above link is for a Samsung plasma, but the comments regarding DNIe apply to any use of this image processing in Samsung TVs.

As I said before, the "best picture" is CLEARLY subjective. So if you prefer the Samsung image, that's great! I am happy for you. My wife and I prefer the image on the Sony, so why can't you be happy for us??????

Here's a link that you won't be interested in, but someone else may be:


I am happy for you Bill! I just don't like Sony..............lol

I like the Samsung LCD, DLP (the LED version) And after that I would go with Pioneer Plasma! LOL

I have a Hitachi regular rear projection right now that everyone can't believe the picture on! It is really good for a regular rear projection.

(Hey did your son get that Proline table? Or did he go with something else?)
 
Bummer

After shopping for 4 hours tonight I thought I had my mind made up on a 42" sharp aquos. I came home to remeasure just as a double check. Come to find out I measured wrong the first time. Now I have to drop down to the 37" size. It is for the bedroom so I guess the smaller size won't be too bad. Back to the store tomorrow to look at the 37's
 
my wife decorated the pool room

Kevin Lindstrom said:
Knowledgeable parties

I know that there was a thread here not to long ago about LCD, DLP and Plasma tvs. I am in the market for one finally but wanted to review the thread for knowledge based info and opinions. If someone has the link to the previous thread or opinions as to which route to go I would be greatly appreciative of your thoughts.

edited This should probably be in the NPR related category. My apologize.

Thanks

Kevin

She decorated and the TV is a Samsung 50" with Oknyo 7.1 surround, Samsung up convert DVD, and Direct TV satellite. She had it professionally installed from Circuit City. I could not be more pleased, it is super, in fact the USOPEN connected to it by my laptop was outta site. Would not do anything diverent even on hindsight.

cheers-------------BW
 
I haven't read more than a couple of posts, but I guarantee that this thread will be JAMMED full of misinformation. I work for a living selling TV's, home theater, and all that stuff at Tweeter. We sell primarily high end stuff. I will read through this post and then post you some good info.

KMRUNOUT
 
Kevin, READ THIS

Kevin,

Below are my comments on the many items posted in this thread. I relish the opportunity to give you some good info, as this is an area with which I am VERY familiar. I have copied the comments in black, and posted my comments in blue (hopefully):

I have a 52 inch LCD in my Den, ...I looked at plasmas and DLP's, but find the quality and performance in LCD's much better. The picture to me is better and they have no glare which makes it nice in rooms with a lot of windows.?

Personal opinion of course, but this opinion differs with accepted and tested ones. The best plasma has a better picture hands down than the best LCD. Lets take the Pioneer Elite as the best plasma and the Sony XBR5 as the best LCD. In motion performance, both are good. The Plasma is much less noisy and when things move, the plasma is better able to maintain the integrity of the image. In color, contrast, greyscale, and overall smoothness, the plasma is a great deal better. The LCD?s have a very tough time showing differences in color at very low levels and very high levels. Contrast is not nearly as good. The plasma offers a significantly more 3-dimensional image. Also, as pertains to bright rooms: the LCD screen IS less reflective, but the image tends to wash out when light is shined on the screen, since the screen tends to diffuse light in a variety of directions. While the plasma can offer more direct reflection of light, the image maintains its brightness better-so you see reflection but you also see image. This is only an issue at all if you have point sources of light that are not only bright, but located just right so that they reflect in your face exactly where you are sitting.

?Agreed.. the pixel refresh rate is higher on LCD, leading to less trailing during high-action sequences. They also require less maintenance than a plasma.?

This is 100% false. LCD?s refresh the panel at exactly ? the rate of plasmas. Normal video is 60 fields per second, and plasma generally operate at this frequency, showing a progressive (meaning all the line in the picture) field every 60th of a second. LCD?s also operate at 60 cycles, but show a black screen every other field, thus resulting in FAR worse performance in motion scenes. The ?new? big deal in LCD?s is the 120hz refresh rate (as found on the Sony XBR5 and other top tier LCD?s). This finally allows the LCD to perform at the same rate as the plasma. Sonys video processing is excellent, and motion looks good. However, the image looks grainier and less natural than the Pioneer Elite plasma.

As for maintenance, neither TV requires any. You turn it on and off. That?s it. If by maintenance, you meant repair, the two technologies are roughly equal. My experience has been that LCD?s require marginally more frequent service calls, while the average repair cost on plasma is slightly higher. If you have extended coverage, the cost doesn?t really need to matter to you.


Regardless of what you buy, don't make the same mistake I made.. pay extra for the Best Buy (or wherever) service plan.. don't count on the manufacturer to correct their mistakes.

Well put. I have a Samsung DLP tv which I am happy with overall, but it took me $1600 in repair to get me there. Luckily, I paid $0 because I got the 5 year service plan.

What's the story on High Def? Is that something you should have or not? I currently do not.
I know they make high def TV's. But do you need special equipment attached to your cable system? Maybe all new TV's are high def. I don't know.

The deal is that High Def is significantly higher picture quality. Should you have a nice car or a not so nice car? Well, if you like cars and can afford a nice one?you get the idea. Not all new TV?s are high def, but the vast majority these days are. Most all Cable and Satellite TV providers (Like Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon Fios, DirecTV) offer high def. This means you get a different cable box (or sat receiver) from them. This different box decodes the HD signal and outputs it in the proper format and quality using different types of cable connections (either component video or HDMI). There is the potential for a dramatic improvement in picture quality. Be aware that only certain stations are HD-around 20-30 channels now. Check you local provider.

Cable blows, don't even bother.

Is this opinion motivated out of a poor customer service experience? Cable is quite awesome. The picture quality is at least as good as satellite. Verizon Fios might be the very best. While a fiber optic transmission, this is still technically ?cable?. There is no guarantee that you can even get satellite TV, since many people have tree cover and just don?t have the necessary view of the sky. Satellite is more affected by weather as well. Also, cable usually lets you conveniently bundle TV, internet, and telephone service. Cable internet is the way to go at home.

Huh? My high-def cable rocks.. Unless satellite started broadcasting in 1080 or something, I'm not sure what you're referring to..

Yes. Both cable and satellite send their HD channels in either 720p or 1080i formats, depending on the network. Both cable and satellite use tons of compression to fit all those channels into their allotted bandwidth. In general, the cable line offers a lot more bandwidth, hence the cable channels generally have much less compression. This equates to better picture quality.

Satellite is all digital. Not all channels on cable are in digital. Their service is also not quite as good as Direct TV.

This was true a couple of years ago. At this point most cable providers are broadcasting all digital. We will soon see an end to ALL analog channels. Also, remember that digital is not necessarily better than analog. The transmission of signals is typically better, but who cares how well you can send a signal if the signal you are sending is so compressed that ? of it has been eliminated BEFORE transmission. Verizon Fios has the highest bandwidth out there and generally the best picture quality.
Absolutely stick with LCD over plasma.

Why?

For my MBR, I recently put in the new Mitsubishi 52" LCD 1080p (read: "expensive" ) It's visually stunning - better than the theatre.

Very nice set. Big money. I personally think the Sony looks a little better, but I would lump this into the ?high end? category. VERY nice.

I have another new Mitsubishi 52" DLP 1080p in the den, and absolutely love it, but DLP sets don't exactly go on the wall. But if you're not going to mount your TV on the wall, DLP 1080p is fantastic. And MUCH LESS $ then LCD.

My DLP is Samsung. In its day, Samsung was the king of LCD?s. I must say that the most recent Mits DLP?s are KILLER. Particularly the 833 line. VERY accurate color and just an awesome picture overall.

However, for my Family Room I JUST (this weekend) ordered the new Sharp Aquos 52" LCD 1080p. I selected this model because it has 10,000:1 dynamic contrast - picture is fan-freakin-tastic even in a very bright room. No glare. (This is one of the advantages that plasma used to have over LCD. Not anymore. You just have to buy the latest-gen LCD model)

This should also be a killer TV. Top tier. I would still take a Pioneer Elite PLASMA over any of these, as would every single person in my store. We get to look at TV?s all day long, so we have a very good idea about the extremely subtle things (and glaringly obvious things) that make these TV?s so convincingly superior to the competition.

And the lamp life on this Sharp model is 60,000 hrs. Safe to say I won't watch that much TV in the next 30 years!

This is true of almost every LCD by the major brands out there. You may also be interested to know that Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer, and many other PLASMA manufacturers rate their TV?s for over 60,000 hours of half life. This means that it takes 60,000 hours for the TV to become ? as bright as when new. For the Pioneer, this is a very conservative rating.

If you are thinking about upgrading you might consider a 1080p set. Many videos will be Blue Ray, which is a sharper picture and needs the 1080p.

Partly true. The BluRay discs are 1080p. They look their best on THE BEST 1080p sets. However, on a quality 768 set, they will look better than a not so great 1080 set. It all comes down to the quality of the TV?s video scaler. Pioneer Elite even in 768 resolution looks MUCH better than some of the crappy 1080 sets I see out there. Most modern TV?s can accept a 1080P signal even if the panel cannot display this signal. The TV will convert all incoming signals to the native resolution of the panel anyway. Still all things being equal, go with 1080 resolution if you can. The thing is, most things are usually NOT equal.


This is incorrect. Plasmas have a faster refresh rate, which is why people who want to buy a big screen to watch football or live events favor plasma over LCD.

Ding ding! We have a winner. Please go to the head of the class, Mr. Matiss99.

The most recent independent research suggests that plasmas will brighter for longer.

In all reality, you can not go wrong with either. They both show a great picture. LCD's have the advantage of showing better in rooms with more sun light, and they have no burn in effect. Plasmas have a better viewing angle, higher contrast ratios, and show better blacks. Also remember, that while plasmas can get burn in (although newer technology has improved this), LCD's can get dead or stuck pixels, which the manufacturer will not repair.

Current reviews from high level audio/visual magazines rate the sharp Aquos as the best LCD, and Pioneer, Hitachi, and Samsung as the best plasmas. Do not listen to consumer reports for this.

Opinion on what looks the best is somewhat subjective, just like the hit of a cue. Some like a brighter look, some a more natural color. Go out and look at the tv's mentioned, and see what you like the best. If your room has a lot of sunlight, an LCD may be a good idea. Otherwise, you will get more size for your money with a plasma. Whatever you get, get 1080p resolution.

One other thought. You will want to get an HDMI cable for connections. DO NOT buy one in the store. On sale last week at best buy, they were $94. At www.monoprice.com you can get one for about $6. DO NOT believe it when a salesman tells you a more expensive HDMI cable is better. HDMI carries a digital signal. It is 1's and 0's. They either get through or they do not. I have used a $100 cable, and a $6 cable and they look EXACTLY the same. Unless you need a cable over 10', do not pay extra.

Enjoy whatever you buy. The picture is fantastic with HD. My personal choice would either be a sharp aquos LCD, or a pioneer plasma.

Great post. I agree with everything except your view on cables. You view of a digital signal is nice in a perfect world, devoid of all electro-magnetic interference. Unfortunately, we live in a world that is not so perfect. I can tell you that while you might not notice a significant difference between digital signal cables, THERE IS DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE. I used to have a $70 Monster coax digital audio cable from my DVD player to my receiver. I upgraded to a $375 Audioquest digital audio cable, and it is A NIGHT AND DAY difference. The clarity, separation, and overall sound quality is RADICALLY better with the new cable. Also, I had the $50 Comcast HDMI cable, and upgraded to a very nice silver conductor cable from audio quest. If there is no difference, then why is there now less noise in my video signal? I recommend you buy your cables somewhere with a return policy. Try them out, and see what kind of difference they make to you. Still, this is by far the best post yet.


I think your choice of the Sharp is good. Their TV's recently have looked outstanding. I would recommend you get the 1080 resolution. I will check out their site. What model were you looking at?

I must say, DO NOT buy a TV without looking at the 42" Pioneer Elite plasma. I guarantee that if it is set up properly, it will surpass the Sharp and all other LCD's in nearly every picture quality category. If you MUST get LCD, however, I think you are on the right track.

Sorry for being so long winded. Aside from pool, this is the other thing I am very passionate about. Good luck-let us know how it turns out!!
 
KMRUNOUT,
Good post. Obviously we agree on all things except the cable. I did, however, say that you may see a difference with runs over 10 ft, and I was only referring to HDMI, not coax. I have a friend who works for a company that makes these cables. He gave me a few of different quality to try, and, while I expected to be able to, I could not tell any difference on a 50" samsung plasma using blue ray and HD comcast. Maybe there are subtle differences to someone who really knows what to look for. Do you think they are enough to warrant the price difference though. Certainly if spending thousands on a tv, why ruin it with a bad cable, I could not see any difference though.
 
Hd Tv

My brother just bought a 50" Panasonic LCD a few months ago, got the HD receiver from Cox, and it is a great picture. You can count the hairs of a woman's mustache ... LOL ... Every little wrinkle can be seen, even small laugh lines. The clarity is something that has to be seen to be appreciated.

(By the way, we were watching the movie, "The Queen" when I made the observations - The country hunting scene that showed the ELK was just stunning).

Toshiba and Panasonic are 2 brands out of the top 3 brands for HD TV.
 
mantis99 said:
KMRUNOUT,
Good post. Obviously we agree on all things except the cable. I did, however, say that you may see a difference with runs over 10 ft, and I was only referring to HDMI, not coax. I have a friend who works for a company that makes these cables. He gave me a few of different quality to try, and, while I expected to be able to, I could not tell any difference on a 50" samsung plasma using blue ray and HD comcast. Maybe there are subtle differences to someone who really knows what to look for. Do you think they are enough to warrant the price difference though. Certainly if spending thousands on a tv, why ruin it with a bad cable, I could not see any difference though.


You originally referred to digital cables not making a difference, I think. My suspicion is that differences in signal quality in digital coax AND digital HDMI would either both be affected by cable construction and quality, or both unaffected. I will have to lern more about it. I perceive differences, and I've heard many versions of why, but nothing that made 100% sense to me. If you get a convinving explanation one way or the other I'd love to hear it. (fwiw, "its just 1's and 0's" really doesn't address all the parameters that affect signals. It makes sense on the surface but only if you disregard a lot of electrical effects (interference, timing, etc.)

Anyway, thanks again for the good post,

Kerry
 
I spent 6 months looking at HD televisions. For the money, the Sony SXRD was the best value. A true 1080P. I paid $1800 for a 55" set. It would cost easily twice that for a 1080p LCD or plasma. I am very pleased with my choice.
 
Bastian said:
Huh? My high-def cable rocks.. Unless satellite started broadcasting in 1080 or something, I'm not sure what you're referring to..
Yes. Directv broadcasts in 1080i. I have a 50" Samsung Plasma with a HD DVR. I've been very happy with it so far. Directv just added several new HD channels.

I'm using HDMI cable for video. I also mounted it myself. It was very easy. The TV is pretty heavy. So some help was needed to lift and mount it. It weighs about 100lbs.
 

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You DO NOT have to have HD by 2009 or whatever it is. You DO have to have Digital. What that means is simply satellite TV or cable. What they're doing away with is the old fashioned UHF signal. That's all.

Some people are really freaking out over this and it's simply unnecessary.
 
Important information about the February 17, 2009 "DTV Transition"

Being a owner of a AV Company that does installations, we have given this to alot of our customers who ask the many questions about the whole "2009" thing.


Questions & Answers

1. When will the transition from analog to DTV broadcasting occur?
The Congress has now passed legislation requiring all conventional "analog" TV broadcasting to stop on February 17, 2009. After that date, your local television broadcasters will be making only "DTV" broadcasts. If received via an antenna these broadcasts will require different TV tuners.



2. What is "DTV?"
DTV stands for "digital television," or, in this case, the broadcasting of digital television by local TV broadcasters. The signals are sent from local transmitters, over the air, to homes, by modern digital techniques rather than the older "analog" methods that are not as efficient.



3. What is "HDTV?"
HDTV (short for High Definition Television) is the highest quality form of DTV. Not all DTV broadcasts are in HDTV and not all DTV receivers can display HDTV. Broadcasts in HDTV are available only on DTV broadcast channels? they are not available over analog broadcast channels. (HDTV is also available from cable, satellite, and other services.)



4. Will there be any charge to receive these digital channels?
No, broadcasts that are now free (or advertiser-supported) to consumers who receive them via antennas are expected to remain free. (It is possible that additional "pay" services may be launched in the future, but these are not expected to replace the free services offered today.)



5. Why must over-the-air broadcasting stop on the "analog" channels?
For more than half a century, TV broadcasts have used the technology that was invented in the 1920s and 1930s, and refined (by adding color) in the 1950s. In 1997, when broadcasters became interested in HDTV, and in order to find additional space for emergency communications and advanced services, the Congress decided that it was time for TV broadcasting to move to more modern and efficient "digital" techniques, which allow broadcasters to offer more channels to viewers. So, Congress instructed the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC") to assign to broadcasters new and different "DTV" channels and, after a "DTV Transition" period, to have the broadcasters return their old analog channels.

* The frequencies used for the old "analog" channels will be re-assigned for other uses through an "auction." Holding an auction for these frequencies will free up space for new "broadband" and other communication services, and will help emergency responders to coordinate their communications. (Finding new frequencies for emergency communications became a high priority after September 11, 2001.)

6. I now subscribe to cable or satellite?Do I need to be concerned about the end to free, over-the-air analog broadcasts?
You will probably not notice much change for those TVs hooked up to your cable or satellite service, but you might be missing out on some opportunities. Cable operators pick up most local broadcasts at a central location and send them to homes over cable; satellite services increasingly are able to do this as well. It is likely that they will continue to provide whatever free local broadcast programming they currently provide to you, even after there is this change in broadcasters' means of transmission. However:

* If you have TVs in your house that are not hooked up to your cable or satellite service, and rely on an antenna to receive conventional broadcasts, you will need to make alternative arrangements to keep watching these TVs.
* In the future, cable operators might also move to "all digital" means of delivery, which could mean you would need to lease a "set-top box" or own a TV with a digital cable tuner (such as one with a "CableCARD" slot) to continue to receive the channels you now view on a conventional TV.
* If a local broadcaster launches several new digital channels, a cable, satellite, or other programming service operator might not agree, or be required, to carry all of their local channels, or to carry them in HDTV. You might, therefore, need a DTV or HDTV tuner and an antenna in order to receive those channels.

7. Does my TV have a DTV tuner? What about my VCR, DVD recorder, PVR, DVR, etc.?
Most of the televisions that have DTV tuners are those that have been sold?since about 1998?as having an "integrated" HDTV broadcast tuner. Most of these products are also capable of displaying HDTV, so they are sometimes advertised or sold as "HD Built-in." (An HD set sold as a "monitor" or "HD-ready" is capable of displaying HDTV but does not have a built-in HDTV tuner.) The FCC now requires that any larger TVs with "analog" tuners also be marketed with built-in or separate DTV tuners, and this will soon be a requirement for all TVs?so you should be seeing more and more "integrated" or "built-in" products in stores. (Some of these may be "DTV" or "EDTV" sets that cannot display full HDTV.)

* Separate HDTV broadcast tuner products have been available for several years. (You are likely to know if you have one.) Now that the Congress has passed its "transition" legislation, you can expect to see "DTV Broadcast Converter" products that, when hooked up to an antenna, convert the new digital broadcast signal to an old analog signal that your older TV can tune and display.
* Most VCRs, DVD recorders, personal video recorders ("PVRs") and digital video recorders ("DVRs") do not presently have HDTV or DTV broadcast tuners, even though they may record by digital means. (However, if one of these products has a slot for a "CableCARD," it does have an HDTV or DTV broadcast tuner.) "DVRs" provided by cable operators do not have digital broadcast tuners (cable operators use a different means to transmit digital signals), but some provided by satellite operators do. The considerations for supporting these non-TV products are similar to those for your present TVs.

8. If I am shopping for a new TV, what does the February 17, 2009 shutoff of the analog channels mean to me?
If you plan to purchase a new TV that will rely on a rooftop or indoor antenna, you may want to make sure that it has a built-in (integrated) HDTV or DTV tuner. In fact, FCC rules require that by March 1, 2007, any TV produced with an analog broadcast tuner must also have a DTV broadcast tuner built-in or marketed to retailers with the set. ("Monitors," however, such as those used with computers, need not have any tuner.) One bonus: Many of these "built-in" sets also have slots for CableCARDS which, when provided by your cable operator, allow you to tune premium cable channels (including HDTV channels) without needing a set-top box. This gives you an additional choice if, in the future, you might plan to subscribe to a cable service.

* If your new set is going to be hooked up to a cable, satellite, or telephone company video programming service instead of to an antenna, you may not need a DTV broadcast tuner. You can expect to receive all of the broadcast channels that you are accustomed to watching if they are carried by this operator. However:
o If these broadcast channels are not carried, or are not carried in full HDTV resolution, you will need an antenna to get the remaining local channels, and your set would need an HDTV or DTV tuner built-in or added on (depending on whether the channels you want include HDTV broadcasts and whether your set can display HDTV). For local information, see www.antennaweb.org.
o You may in the future need to lease a set-top box from your cable, satellite, or telephone company, particularly if your new set does not accept a CableCARD.

9. In watching the TVs now in my home that are not connected to a cable or satellite service, what does the February 17, 2009 shutoff of the analog channels mean to me?
If your TV is not currently hooked up to an antenna (for example, it is being used to play video games, or to watch DVDs or camcorder movies, etc.), nothing will change, because only free over-the-air broadcasts will be affected by this DTV broadcast transition. If your existing TV currently relies on an antenna to receive free broadcast programming (and it does not have an "integrated DTV tuner"), you will have several options:

* You could subscribe to a cable, satellite, or other program delivery service that carries the broadcast programming in which you are interested. If you are already a cable, satellite, or other programming service subscriber, you can extend your hookup to reach this TV.
* To continue to rely on an antenna, you will need an external "DTV Broadcast Converter" product.
o If your set is an HD Monitor (sometimes called "HD-ready") you will want a tuner that can display HDTV broadcasts in full HDTV resolution (rather than "downconverting" them to a lesser format).
o If your set is a "standard" television, you will want to obtain a "DTV Broadcast Converter" product that converts a "DTV" or "HDTV" broadcast to a standard "analog" output that your TV can receive?either as "channel 3 or 4" or one of the other standard inputs that your TV already has. The Congress has provided funds to assist consumers, from January 1, 2008 through March 31, 2009, in obtaining these converters via "coupons" (no more than two per household, $40 per purchased product) that can be applied to their price. Additional details are not yet available.

10. What else do I need to know about HDTV?
High Definition Television, or "HDTV," is the more general name for showing video in a new and better format? a wider screen with about 5 times the picture information. All types of video displays?conventional picture tubes, the various sorts of projection TVs, and the new "flat panels"?can show HDTV if they are designed to handle all of this video information in the new format. You can expect a product to tune or display HDTV only if it was sold or advertised as such.

* If your existing set is not HD-capable (an "HD Monitor" or "HD built-in") it will not display an HDTV signal in full quality, even if an "HDTV broadcast converter" is attached to it.
* If your existing set is HD-capable it should display an HDTV quality picture when an HDTV broadcast converter is attached (but will display only a standard quality picture from a "DTV Broadcast Converter" that is not advertised as HDTV).
* For your existing TV that cannot handle HDTV, a "DTV Broadcast Converter" should tune the HDTV broadcast channels, but provide them to your set in the standard quality format that your set can display. (Some, but not all, of these might also provide HDTVquality signals to "HD-ready" sets.)

11. What is "EDTV?"
Enhanced Definition Television, or "EDTV," refers to the capability of displays to show pictures at about the same quality level as DVDs?better than pictures from standard analog broadcasts, but not of the same quality as an HDTV display. For such a set, you might get better performance from a broadcast converter product that has enhanced capabilities as well. For further information on display formats, see the FCC's DTV site at http://www.dtv.gov/whatisdtv.html.
 
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I checked on Consumer Reports recently and found out that many of the sets are similar in picture quality.

For the price they recommended Olevia. I have purchased about 10 Olevias lately for my pool room and all are good sets, with very good prices.

Danny K
 
Consumer reports is good for a lot of things, but I would not listen to them whem it comes to HDTV picture quality. Olevia is a nice tv for the money though, especially for a commercial establishment where you do not need the absolute best picture.

JimK,
I think the Sony is also a nice tv, but people have to weigh what they want. The sony is nice, and a good value, but side by side with the pioneer mentioned above, there is a noticeable difference. There is also a huge price difference, so it just depends how perfect a picture you need to have.

Toshiba and panasonic are probably in the top 6, but neither are in the top 3. I have seen consumers rank panasonic as number 1, but their tv's can't touch the current hitachi and pioneers, and lag behind samsung also. They are very nice tv's, and in the end it is somewhat subjective. However, if you look at them side by side, or read the ratings from specialized A/V mags, the 3 I mentioned will be at the top.
 
I just bought (but have not yet taken delivery of) a Sony KS-70R200A 70" projection TV with the Bravia engine (this model number is used in Europe and Asia- not sure what it would be in the States- LINK).

I wasn't satisfied with the over-all picture quality of any plasmas or LCDs (at least not the high-end ones that I could compare directly), and I wanted a very fast refresh rate (2.5ms) and high resolution (1920x1080) along with a good-sized screen (which I needed as the TV will be about 16 feet from where I will generally be sitting).

It wasn't cheap (a little over 5K- electronics are pricey over here) but I think I got the most for my money.
 
Any Pioneer Elite Plasma or Runco plasma is as good as it gets period...
If you would like the contact info of someone that sells them well below retail, PM me... Nate
 
jay helfert said:
What's the story on High Def? Is that something you should have or not? I currently do not.

I know they make high def TV's. But do you need special equipment attached to your cable system? Maybe all new TV's are high def. I don't know.

In your order:
-High Definition gives you a crisp picture - nose hairs and pock marks etc.
-You will eventually need to get a digital TV so why not Hi Def (HDMI)?
-If you get good reception from Mt Wilson now then you can get Hi Def.
-You need to get a Hi Def TV with a built in Hi Def tuner - ATSC tuner etc.
-Don't get a Hi Def monitor without an ATSC tuner unless you have cable.
-Not all TVs are Hi Def though you can watch non Hi Def on a Hi Def TV.
-On your current TV, channel 02 will be channel 02-1 on a Hi Def TV.
-Almost all current channels offer the XX-1 for Hi Def viewing
-I you have cable or a Dish, call them to see if Hi Def is extra cost.
 
LAMas said:
In your order:
-High Definition gives you a crisp picture - nose hairs and pock marks etc.
-You will eventually need to get a digital TV so why not Hi Def (HDMI)?
-If you get good reception from Mt Wilson now then you can get Hi Def.
-You need to get a Hi Def TV with a built in Hi Def tuner - ATSC tuner etc.
-Don't get a Hi Def monitor without an ATSC tuner unless you have cable.
-Not all TVs are Hi Def though you can watch non Hi Def on a Hi Def TV.
-On your current TV, channel 02 will be channel 02-1 on a Hi Def TV.
-Almost all current channels offer the XX-1 for Hi Def viewing
-I you have cable or a Dish, call them to see if Hi Def is extra cost.

HD is extra on any cable company or satellite provider. the only free HD is what is referred to as OTA (Over The Air)
 
queston

Does anyone have any thoughts on a 37" Panasonic Plasma TV. I was at the mall and saw a fantastic price on one that I thought had a super nice picture.
 
Dont Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plasma companies to get...

Pioneer / Pioneer Elite
Hitachi
Samsung
Sony
Runco
 
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