last 64 World 9 ball championships
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64 top players playing 9 ball rack your own (even though a refs at each table), alt break with SINGLE elim. They should call it "The Crap Shoot From Qatar". I'll be up early for though.. Johnnyt
no sh!t. Most of these clowns in here don't understand this concept though.
bring back winners break format
I suggest them to change the format to winners break race to 11 from last 64 and on,with semis and finals race to 21...........
but its just me
64 top players playing 9 ball rack your own (even though a refs at each table), alt break with SINGLE elim. They should call it "The Crap Shoot From Qatar". I'll be up early for though.
I suggest them to change the format to winners break race to 11 from last 64 and on,with semis and finals race to 21...........
but its just me
Best matches (by enjoying watch) always been WPC finals race to 17.. Immonen,Earl and Wu for example.. Of course those are made by Matchroom Sport and they seem to know how to make quality billiard to TV.
64 top players playing 9 ball rack your own (even though a refs at each table), alt break with SINGLE elim. They should call it "The Crap Shoot From Qatar". I'll be up early for though.
I call it survival of the fittest .. Bring it hard or go home ,
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No some morons don't understand the bring it or go home concept , and have zero explanation why some players excell under those conditions while others wilt
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Individual matches might be a crap shoot, but anyone that wins the tournament most will no doubt be a world class player and have played the best at the tournament.
Having to win 5 straight race to 11 vs some of the world's best and then another race to 13 on the final.. That is like winning a long race to 68, but much much more intense.
Beats the shit out of all the barbox tourneys in the U.S.
Having to win 5 straight race to 11 vs some of the world's best and then another race to 13 on the final.. That is like winning a long race to 68, but much much more intense.
Beats the shit out of all the barbox tourneys in the U.S.
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But Neils is a world class player and defending Champ and didn't even make it to the final 64, so what does that say?
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He had his chance with the double elimination race to 9 alternate break. He went 1-2 in his bracket. What it says is that he didn't play his best.
http://competition.kozoom.com/en/bigscreen/qatar/stage2/12/
It's a 9-ball tournament, so its a flawed game. Can't expect everything to be perfect. 19-0 New England patriots lost to a wild card N.Y Giants. Serena Williams(21 grand slams winner) lost to a nobody in the U.S open semi's.
Sure changing it to race to 15 would be better, but it is what it is. Sometimes the lesser player will prevail in an indvidual match, but the winner of the tournament will be the best at the tournament and earns the title World 9-ball Champion.
Watch the tournament, enjoy the free stream and quit the griping...
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I'm not griping, and I also pay for the streams that I watch but I don't know if that comment was directed towards me. Let's say Ko Pin Yi wins this tournament, is he declared best in the world right now since he also won the WPA World 10 Ball championship earlier this year or is he declared the best in the tournament?
Humm that's a pretty hard one let me think oh I got it ,, he didn't play as good as he did before ,
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really??? Some excel under the W9B conditions???
Tell me again when the last time someone won 3 w9b championships in a row again? Or how about 2... ohhhhh only ever 1....
Tell me again about these players who excel under these conditions???
The reality is that with the caliber of players at the w9b and the alternate break rack your own format, it's a crap shoot and any of the 64 are capable of winning it.
You want to know who the best players in the world are look at who consistently finish virtually EVERY tourney they enter in the top 5...That's who the best are...
Jaden
Tell me again when the last time someone won 3 w9b championships in a row again? Or how about 2... ohhhhh only ever 1....
Tell me again about these players who excel under these conditions???
The reality is that with the caliber of players at the w9b and the alternate break rack your own format, it's a crap shoot and any of the 64 are capable of winning it.
You want to know who the best players in the world are look at who consistently finish virtually EVERY tourney they enter in the top 5...That's who the best are...
Jaden
Tell me again when the last time someone won 3 w9b championships in a row again? Or how about 2... ohhhhh only ever 1....
Tell me again about these players who excel under these conditions???
The reality is that with the caliber of players at the w9b and the alternate break rack your own format, it's a crap shoot and any of the 64 are capable of winning it.
You want to know who the best players in the world are look at who consistently finish virtually EVERY tourney they enter in the top 5...That's who the best are...
Jaden
it's like speaking to a wall sir. I honestly think they really don't understand WHY it's such a crapshoot and I know they don't understand the high variance of the format. I've tried and tried to explain it in dumbed down terms, but it still doesn't take. I've compared it to various other sports and shown how the longer races/periods/games/etc...is a much better indicator of who the best is and it still doesn't take. I've wrote, in detail, how it's almost exactly like poker in terms of case games vs. tourneys, and that still didn't take, but I'll explain it in those terms again.
In cash games, much like longer race tourneys or longer race gambling matches, the winners are always gonna be identified in the long run. Sure a player can win an individual cash game session, but in the long run, the better players will always get the cash.
Short race tourneys are just like poker tourneys. In the long run, or with a great sample size, the best players are gonna win the most tourneys or have the highest finishes, but in individual tourneys, it's basically a crapshoot with any one of thousands of people having a chance to win. In short race 9 ball, especially with alternate break, it gives any one of 75-100 people a legitimate shot at winning the so called world 9 ball championship. The variance is so high. If they played it out 100 times over the course of a year, odds are that SVB, Ko, Orcullo, and whomever else is top tier are gonna win it the most times, but play it once each year and any one of those guys are gonna have to get extremely lucky to win it.
Think of it like this: In general, Phil Ivey is regarded as the best poker player in the world, cash games and/or tourneys. Why has he never won the WSOP main event? (generally regarded as THE best event in poker).
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Tell me again when the last time someone won 3 w9b championships in a row again? Or how about 2... ohhhhh only ever 1....
Tell me again about these players who excel under these conditions???
The reality is that with the caliber of players at the w9b and the alternate break rack your own format, it's a crap shoot and any of the 64 are capable of winning it.
You want to know who the best players in the world are look at who consistently finish virtually EVERY tourney they enter in the top 5...That's who the best are...
Jaden
In a U.S. open or DCC type turny the field is so watered down you don't get the continued trip of monster players ,, that's why you have several multiple winners it's much harder to repeat in a shorter race single elimination grade 1 turney
US open is a grade 3
It's realy pretty easy to understand
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So are you discrediting the past W9B champs that won when it was a race to 17? Since it's much harder to repeat in shorter races and all...
Oh and speaking of single elimination, Shane won his 3-peat being undefeated, without ever going to the one-loss side.
Last year had Feijen, Geronimo, Souquet, Busty, Efren, Li HeWen, Rota, Hohmann, Nick E, Kiamco, Nick VDB, Mika, Albin, Peach, Wang Can, Babica, Orcollo, Boyes....etc, what are you talking about no continued trip of monster players? With the exception of the taiwanese, thats a world class field. Stop with the nonsense.
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But he's a WPA world 9 ball champion, he should beat anyone. He went through a single elimination format with race to 7. How come he's never won a US Open since its so easy?
There's 200 dead money players in the open ,, ,, several top world players skip the U.S. open ,, if we were using let's say the new Fargo system to rate the field the U.S. open would be substantialy behind ,,,
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He seams to play better in the world events , and MC where he's a 3 time MVP some players are just like that but no player plays is best all the time
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Stop speaking in hyperbole and contribute some facts. 200 dead money players and there's a 128 player field? Okay...
I already said excluding the taiwanese, last year was a world class field. But they are playing in it this year.
I'm more impressed with someone who can win something multiple times back to back or consistently finishes high in most tournaments, than someone who gets lucky in 1 tournament and doesn't win jack-sh1t for the rest of the year, all it means is he played good and got a lucky draw for that tournament.