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Hey Timberly,

I know exactly what you are talking about. My husband didn't know a thing about computers until I taught him and set up his email account. I have taught several others. He even had his own business buying and selling sports cards on eBay! He can 2 finger type pretty well now, but the spelling and punctuation...:rolleyes: And he types in ALL CAPS, lol.

OTH, pool also seems to draw the computer geeks as well. Sometimes their play reflects it, very technical and mechanical. It's pretty funny.

The One - if it helps, I understand your frustration with KT's SYSTEM, but like he announced at our meeting, the selection process was totally up to him and it is what it is.

As Jake pointed out, if there wasn't such easy pickings on the roster now, it would not fuel the excitement at the end of the year for short stops and A players to try out for 2007. Most would think twice about entering a qualifier if the whole bottom 50 were already champions.

So maybe it was a ploy for next year (smart!) and I think he really wanted some good TV. Marginal players make the great players stand out and make any wins they have exceptional. Not many women, if any, or HOFers will still make the cut next year, but in this inaugural season, there are certainly going to be matchups worth watching where neither participant is ranked in the top 100.
 
jjinfla said:
Well, Kimberly decided to just put her head in the sand and ignore the facts.

Like all the pool players who miraculously know how to play internet poker. In fact I know one who was so involved in the game that he decided to to forfeit his match in Tampa during a FPT stop.

So, no, I do not feel sorry for anyone who did not make the IPT. That is just so negative. Rather, I feel happy for the players who stepped up and did their homework and made it to the IPT.

Do you think this person should be accepted to the IPT. Would you want him to represent your company?
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I love it when I touch a nerve, the WPC is an interesting example isnt it. One things for sure it will mean an aweful lot more winning the WPC than any IPT event for quite a while. I love the photo shame you wasn't there when it was taken :D although several people have been banned for less! :D Still quite an ironic post given your choice of words and the fact that you where questioning my class lol

But since you brought up the topic of Aliens, wasn't one of the reasons you guys kicked the Brits out lack of equality and a class system? The have's and the have not's, the rich living off the poor - remind you of anything? :D
 
ccn7 said:
After reading so many great post and points of views by so well informed people, i figured i may as well give my thoughts.

i starting playing pool in the early 60's, im almost 60 now. so this was long before the day of the computer. I wasnt a roadie, but me and a few friends did travel to near by towns to play. How did we know where the games where, Word of Mouth. There was always talk of where the games were going to take place, who was going to be playing and sometimes what the stakes were. It seems back then the informations was well shared.

Its too bad that isnt the way the IPT news went and many that could have made the tour didnt. For all those who were picked its great and even though i cant make 3 friggins balls now-a -days if i would have been picked i wouldnt give up my spot no matter who said what. Go getem Linda and best of luck to you.
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Um,

I learned about the IPT through word-of-mouth. That's when I went online to find out about it. Even if you hear about things through the grapevine you still have to DO SOMETHING about it. Get on the phone to verify it, find out where the sucker is right now, get your tournament entry fee paid by money order or friend, get in the car and go there. The point is that whenever a player on the road hears about the possibility of a score then it is their responsibility to ACT on it.

I don't feel sorry at all for any pool players who didn't get their app in for the IPT. These guys run around the country fleecing suckers and snapping off every little tournament they can. If they wanted to be considered professional then they would be well informaed of all the possibilities to further their career.

Timberly, the lifestyle you describe is 100% accurate and just as pathetic. To me there are pros who spend most of their time on the road and still manage to manage their affairs like pros and others who spend most of their time on the road jerking off. The difference is dedication.

John
 
Being positive for a moment. Let's say that the IPT works and in three years the very best players have tour cards. If that happens then there will have to be a secondary tour for players at the next level and the level below that and so on. It's the nature of the beast. Champion tennis players don't just come from nowhere.

Whatever the system is now it will evolve and if it works then most people in the pool world will benefit.

As for the prestige comparison to a 9 Ball WPT and a full fledged IPT Event. I would say equal at best. The IPT is going to be more grueling against more champions with less luck in the game itself.

Each and every IPT tournament is going to be as tough or tougher than any world championship.

Jeff Abernathy told me that the IPT qualifier he played in was the toughest tournament he ever played in.

John
 
Exactly right ....

onepocketchump said:
Being positive for a moment. Let's say that the IPT works and in three years the very best players have tour cards. If that happens then there will have to be a secondary tour for players at the next level and the level below that and so on. It's the nature of the beast. Champion tennis players don't just come from nowhere.

Whatever the system is now it will evolve and if it works then most people in the pool world will benefit.

As for the prestige comparison to a 9 Ball WPT and a full fledged IPT Event. I would say equal at best. The IPT is going to be more grueling against more champions with less luck in the game itself.

Each and every IPT tournament is going to be as tough or tougher than any world championship.

Jeff Abernathy told me that the IPT qualifier he played in was the toughest tournament he ever played in.

John
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You're right on John. With the IPT 'defining' what a true PRo is, and the expectations that they are expected to live up to, what happens?

Exactly what I have said NEEDS to be done for Pool, to define the Semi-Pro level of Pool. Thousands of players fall in this category, both working and non-working, and it becomes the 'minor' leagues and springboard to the 'major' or pro level. This level probably would have more 'lifer' Pool players than any other.

It would also, I believe, help promote College competition, and to even help with the organization of Jr. leagues and tournaments with a real
step by step goal that is attainable.
 
You may be behind the times.

Timberly said:
He can't have his cake & eat it too.... if he doesn't want people that don't have a computer (:rolleyes: ) but he wants to help pool players.... impossible to do both because most pro calibur players don't have computers.

You say that he's trying to make it possible for pro pool players to play pool legitimately without having to go on the road & hustle. That's what I said. The problem is that a large group of people on tour are not those kind of players. They're people that do not use pool as an income because they have jobs. Meanwhile, the pool players are still having to go on the road & hustle in order to eat. The pool player that's doing that doesn't have a computer.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here. I'm not going to repeat myself again & again in so many different ways in hopes that everyone gets it. I've spelled it out as best as I can. Either you get what I'm saying or you don't. I do know that threads like this and the ones about sponsorship have taught me just how little most on here know about the life & times of a pool player.

I'm at the point that I can't even read this thread anymore. If someone responds to one of my posts... I'm sorry, I won't see it. If someone still doesn't understand me.... all I can say is go back & read all the posts that I've made regarding this. You're either going to get it or you're not.


If I'm not mistaken, at the KOTH tourney in FL, PC's were available for the players to use. Other than Tony Crosby, I've yet to come across a player that cares about updating the fan base. Girlfriends & wives can hardly get an update out of a player.... they're not going to jump on the computer & update us. :(
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Keep beating your head cause you are only partially right. I have been reading this thread for days and still cannot believe "you"don't get it.
You are not looking at it reallistically or with open eyes.
A lot of road players do not have computers. So what? Don't you think their home pool rooms have computers? I would think most do now. I have one and I passed along all IPT information to all my players plus any road players. Several months ago several road players came through.
Guess what? The first group, that consisited of Cole Dixon, Warren Costanza(The Monk) and a backer, found out we were internet connected and the first thing they did was go to their car, bring in their computer and start playing online poker. They played all night before, during and after the action they got. So you are wrong Timberly, cause some road players do have access to a computer and more of their backers do. I agree not all road players or whatever you want to call the people you think did not hear about the ipt have computers but ther room owners around the country sure would have informed their home town players. So you should reevaluate your estimation of how many did not know about it. I would go so far as to say that a lot of the players that say they didn't just do not want to admit it as now it looks like they made a serious misjudgment of what this tour was going to develop into. As an example, I had Ronnie Allen at my room several times over last summer and I personally told him about this tour. His comments were to the effect that it was probably a fly by night thing that was not going to go anywhere. At the time he was more interested in the online poker site he was trying to work out with Harry Platis in Seattle. Don't you think that more than a few players thought that and now are suffering the consequences? So your ranting and raving that we don't get it is a bunch of baloney.
I also talked to several room owners and they were all relaying the IPT info at any and all of their tournaments. And why not, you think a room owner doesn't want this to succeed? Your lack of common sense is beyond belief for such an intelligent lady.
 
Timberly said:
He can't have his cake & eat it too.... if he doesn't want people that don't have a computer (:rolleyes: ) but he wants to help pool players.... impossible to do both because most pro calibur players don't have computers.

You say that he's trying to make it possible for pro pool players to play pool legitimately without having to go on the road & hustle. That's what I said. The problem is that a large group of people on tour are not those kind of players. They're people that do not use pool as an income because they have jobs. Meanwhile, the pool players are still having to go on the road & hustle in order to eat. The pool player that's doing that doesn't have a computer.

I feel like I'm beating my head against a brick wall here. I'm not going to repeat myself again & again in so many different ways in hopes that everyone gets it. I've spelled it out as best as I can. Either you get what I'm saying or you don't. I do know that threads like this and the ones about sponsorship have taught me just how little most on here know about the life & times of a pool player.

I'm at the point that I can't even read this thread anymore. If someone responds to one of my posts... I'm sorry, I won't see it. If someone still doesn't understand me.... all I can say is go back & read all the posts that I've made regarding this. You're either going to get it or you're not.


If I'm not mistaken, at the KOTH tourney in FL, PC's were available for the players to use. Other than Tony Crosby, I've yet to come across a player that cares about updating the fan base. Girlfriends & wives can hardly get an update out of a player.... they're not going to jump on the computer & update us. :(
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Timberly I think you probably are wasting your breath, KT could announce Bin Laden as his person of the year and the likes of Jake would still follow him to the ends of the earth.These are the people that bought his stuff and made him rich, they just dont get it. The computer issue is an important issue but its still a side issue. If a multi millionaire decided to start a new golf tour tomorrow paying 10 times the normal prize money and the likes of Tiger, Singh, Motgomery etc etc didn't get in because either a) they didn't know about it or didnt apply or b) they applied but didn't get selected I wonder how many people would be saying agh its Tigers fault. WHat a slacker he is, its not the new tours fault its Tigers, he's so unproffessional how dare he blame some new upstart tour! Bottom line is the IPT could have used a better system, they could have copied a system that alreayd exists, they didnt and more fool them!

As for an IPT event being tougher than the WPC - dream on!
 
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Qualifiers

I am starting to be concerned about these 25 qualifiers that are supposed to take place before July. With only 16-17 weeks left, and I really can not see them holding more than 6 at a time at various locations around the world, with at least a week or 10 day inbetween period before the next set, the time period seems to getting closer and closer to crunch time.

If these have been in the works for some time, then there should be IPT announcements about locations and times for these qualifiers. Another thing is, are they going to have a minimum number of entrees that is required for these qualifiers?

And, just what the heck has the William Morris Agency been doing all this time for KT. Sure seems like they should have been part of the planning process for these qualifiers, besides the normal events.
 
Qualifiers

I am starting to be concerned about these 25 qualifiers that are supposed to take place before July. With only 16-17 weeks left, and I really can not see them holding more than 6 at a time at various locations around the world, with at least a week or 10 day inbetween period before the next set, the time period seems to getting closer and closer to crunch time.

If these have been in the works for some time, then there should be IPT announcements about locations and times for these qualifiers. Another thing is, are they going to have a minimum number of entrees that is required for these qualifiers?

And, just what the heck has the William Morris Agency been doing all this time for KT. Sure seems like they should have been part of the planning process for these qualifiers, besides the normal events.
 
Ah yes, The One wants things done the same old way.

The same old way that has not worked in the past.

He expects things to be done in the same old way as the past and he expects to get different results.

You do know the definition of crazy don't you?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Ah yes, The One wants things done the same old way.

The same old way that has not worked in the past.

He expects things to be done in the same old way as the past and he expects to get different results.
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I didn't get this impression at all Jake, fwiw. Maybe I just can't follow your logic. What are you saying is the 'old way' ?

Dave
 
DaveK said:
I didn't get this impression at all Jake, fwiw. Maybe I just can't follow your logic. What are you saying is the 'old way' ?

Dave
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Yes Jake, what are you talking about? I may be mistaken of course, please can you point me in the direction of where I can find comments, and hundreds of threads where people criticise the WPC selection criteria? I must have been extreemly lucky as I can only remember ever reading that the WPC field of SELECTED 128 players made it the toughest tournament in the world to win, not perfect of course but sure beats what the IPT did!

You know what too, it only costs $500 for 5 days of qualifying and a chance to play in the greatest most prestigeous tournament in the world in the pool mad nation of the Philipines! They even have qualifying tournament ranking points and a couple of spots for players that do the best each day but don't earn a spot by right. Sure like Taiwan it will be as tough as hell but the right to play in the World 9 Ball Championships for $400,000 and a place in history!

Wow if only they had thought of this ground breaking rocket science selection criteria before the IPT was born....oh wait they did!!! :eek: :D In fact this criteria was listed on the web and press released on thsi very site a year ago, in addition it wasn't even unique to pool, it was loosly based on the system golf uses!

"Matchroom Sport Announces 2005 World Pool Championship Qualification Criteria

For 2005 and beyond, Matchroom Sport, in association with the WPA, is implementing a brand new system to determine who gets to play in the annual WPA World Pool Championship for Men.

Loosely based on the system used in golf’s Majors, the purpose of this category classification is to give all serious pool players in the world a fair opportunity to compete in the World Pool Championship.

The major differences from previous years are that continental associations do not have a set allocation of players, and that it is possible for players to qualify in territories other than their home one.

This is to reward success and achievement and to recognise the global nature of tournament pool.

For full details, please go to www.worldpoolchampionship.com"


Maybe your right Jake, Matchroom, the WPC, even Golf are stuck in the past. I don't think it will be long before we see the likes of Tiger etc missing from the golf majors because they forgot to apply online or fill in a questionaire! :confused:
 
Ha Ha Ha Ha.

You guys are a trip.

You should thank the gods for bestowing KT on the Pool World to give you something to do with all your idle time.

The WPC from all standpoints has a very good selection process - finally. And you can thank Luke to make sure it wasn't screwed up. They did want to use the top 30 or so from the UPA and he insisted on only the top 12. And he wanted Earl while we all know that the UPA didn't want him.

Anyway, how long has the WPA been in existence? So why did it take them so long to come to this selection process? And most likely in the future it will be modified again.

KT is an unknown in the pool world yet you all wanted him to be perfect his first time at bat. sure he could have used a different selection process, but he didn't. And even if he did that one wouldn't have been perfect either. Nor would it have met with your (the naysayers out their) approval.

Hindsight is senseless. It proves nothing. And it changes nothing.

I wonder how many times Lipsky has second guessed his decision to drop out. Or was he that sure that he could not finish in the top 100. Of course he forgot about the royalty fees that will come in for 2006. No wonder he is not buying the Sigel-Reyes DVD. Royalty fees going to Bernie and Linda, and Colin etc. He most likely tossed away $20,000 for doing nothing but playing a few games of 8-ball.

Time to go forward.

Let's face it. I like KT, or more exact, what he has done and what he is doing for the pool world. When I was at the KOTH I got to talk with a whole bunch of the world famous pool players and I enjoyed that very much. Mike Sigel, Massey, Fisher, Gerda, Rempe, Grady, Varner, Manalo, Reyes, Bustamante, Mika, Archer, etc, etc, etc. They all were a very happy friendly bunch. Now if that is too hard for you people to understand then I feel sorry for you. Well, no that is not true, I don't know any of you and I really don't care about, nor respect any of you. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Ha Ha Ha
 
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jjinfla

I don't know any of you and I really don't care about, nor respect any of you. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Ha Ha Ha

Now that's gratitude for ya jj. Please don't include me in your cover statement. I ain't such a bad guy after all, huh!
Purdman:rolleyes:
 
jjinfla said:
I don't know any of you and I really don't care about, nor respect any of you.
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Why do you stay here then Jake ?

Dave
 
jjinfla said:
I wonder how many times Lipsky has second guessed his decision to drop out. Or was he that sure that he could not finish in the top 100. Of course he forgot about the royalty fees that will come in for 2006. No wonder he is not buying the Sigel-Reyes DVD. Royalty fees going to Bernie and Linda, and Colin etc. He most likely tossed away $20,000 for doing nothing but playing a few games of 8-ball.
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I bet you are expecting me to answer this with a total denial of ever having any doubts about my decision. I won't. I am human, and we've all thought about the paths not taken.

The major thing I want you to understand is that since I graduated, I never really wanted to only be a professional pool player. I enjoy playing in some events, but that's about it. My love of pool these days is limited to 14.1 - and I don't need to play it on television. I can do it in a back corner of my local room and love it just the same. About three years ago I lost my passion to really play the game at all, and since then I think I've played in two major non 14.1 tournaments - the Big Apple '05 and BCA Vegas '05.

As a pool player, you might think it is the goal of everyone on this forum to play professionally while doing nothing else, but the thought of that pretty much makes me want to vomit. If someone were to ask me what I do for a living and I told them I was an IPT professional, I wouldn't feel very good about my life. This is a personal thing and isn't meant as an insult to anyone who is an IPT professional. The major reason I wouldn't feel good saying it is because it is not what I want to do with my life. For those who do, I wish them the best.

In addition to the above, as the date for the players' meeting drew closer, I was just having problems reconciling this tour in my mind. Things weren't adding up, and when they finally did, they troubled me. About three weeks before the meeting, there was small print on the site about wanting to make this a reality TV show. I had no interest in this whatsoever. WHATSOEVER. There was also a matter of Deno not sending me a contract to review BEFORE I FLEW DOWN TO ORLANDO FOR FIVE DAYS TO A TOURNAMENT I WASN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY IN. Speaking of that, every time I tried to get Deno to explain why the other 107 players had to attend, he wouldn't tell me. He would say things like, "I can't tell you that, but believe me, you're going to like it." I'm sorry, but I found that ridiculous. (I guess the next time I hire someone I should say, "OK, I can't tell you anything about the job, but you'll like it! Can you be here Monday? Oh, and you won't get paid until next month.") There was the matter of being told that while we were down there, we would be "encouraged" to watch all the matches. Except in extremely rare instances, I do not like watching pool for more than 15 minutes at a clip. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate this, but I was dreading that trip for about 50 reasons.

There's the not-so-small matter of KT's past, and the uncertainty it brings with it. What if in those contracts there was a clause, "In order to receive payment, you must shill my book on Good Morning America whenever I ask"? It appears that's not the case, but without the contract, I couldn't know that. All I could do was assume the worst because they wouldn't let me see it until I flew down there.

Sure, $100k is a nice chunk of change, but for me to take myself out of corporate America for a couple years would require much more than that. I am not saying I make a boatload of money; I am just saying that, sometime in 2009 when I fall off the tour or it dies, I don't want to go to a job interview and tell them I was a professional pool player for the last three years. I would need much more than $100k per year to accept that risk. Working is like getting the 5-out from Ray Charles every single week for whatever your paycheck is. Plus benefits. The best road player in the world can't come close to that degree of certainty. Sure sometimes in the morning when the alarm clock goes off, it's nice to dream of the "IPT life" - but on the whole I find working to be satisfying.

Finally, if I had turned down both of the two job offers I received the week before I rescinded - in the expectation of playing in my first tournament at the end of January, imagine my delight at having to wait FIVE MORE MONTHS (at least) before getting that chance.

I could get fired tomorrow and I would still be at peace with my decision.

- Steve

P.S. So congratulations, your stupid little paragraph put me on tilt and I wrote about 10 things here I swore I never would, lol.
 
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Steve, that is a well reasoned decision. I can respect that far more than anyone claiming they just couldn't swing the money but would otherwise be there.

From what I understand, your skill level is such that you probably would be right up there. I understand where you are at. I have loaned money to bona-fide champions ( I should say donated) that sleep in their car.

It is kind of sad that the next big thing in pool is so tainted and mysterious.

What I admire about this group and all the pool forums is the ability to express the things you just did.

I admire the fact that you applied, am jealous of your acceptance, and respect your reasons for declining the spot. Makes perfect sense to me.

For a player who does in fact aspire to be a professional then the IPT is currently a huge consideration. I respect no player who chooses to be a "professional" and will not act in a manner consistent with that label. I have had many a conversation with players seeking sponsorship about what professionallism is and entails to apparently very little avail.

Because the players will not stand up for themselves they will constantly be in the weaker position when dealing with sponsors and promoters. There are a few players who have managed to eke out a nice living beyond the tournament grind. This is because they choose to act and present themselves professionally and to WORK at the BUSINESS that they are.

I know you didn't want to write your reasons but I am glad you did. It is nice to see a well reasoned perspective from the inside once in a while.

Let's all hope that the IPT isn't just glitz and three years from now it will be perfectly respectable to be a pocket billiards professional and those players will be celebrated for their skills.

I am not happy to hear about slow and no pay issues. That is my main beef with Barry Behrman, who has otherwise done a fine job with the US Open. Until Barry tells us that all the players have been paid and future events advertised as "guaranteed" are in fact so I will be skeptical. I am still pro-IPT but I want to see the money and communication issues resolved.

John
 
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Steve Lipsky said:
I bet you are expecting me to answer this with a total denial of ever having any doubts about my decision. I won't. I am human, and we've all thought about the paths not taken.

The major thing I want you to understand is that since I graduated, I never really wanted to only be a professional pool player. I enjoy playing in some events, but that's about it. My love of pool these days is limited to 14.1 - and I don't need to play it on television. I can do it in a back corner of my local room and love it just the same. About three years ago I lost my passion to really play the game at all, and since then I think I've played in two major non 14.1 tournaments - the Big Apple '05 and BCA Vegas '05.

As a pool player, you might think it is the goal of everyone on this forum to play professionally while doing nothing else, but the thought of that pretty much makes me want to vomit. If someone were to ask me what I do for a living and I told them I was an IPT professional, I wouldn't feel very good about my life. This is a personal thing and isn't meant as an insult to anyone who is an IPT professional. The major reason I wouldn't feel good saying it is because it is not what I want to do with my life. For those who do, I wish them the best.

In addition to the above, as the date for the players' meeting drew closer, I was just having problems reconciling this tour in my mind. Things weren't adding up, and when they finally did, they troubled me. About three weeks before the meeting, there was small print on the site about wanting to make this a reality TV show. I had no interest in this whatsoever. WHATSOEVER. There was also a matter of Deno not sending me a contract to review BEFORE I FLEW DOWN TO ORLANDO FOR FIVE DAYS TO A TOURNAMENT I WASN'T ALLOWED TO PLAY IN. There was the matter of being told that while we were down there, we would be "encouraged" to watch all the matches. Except in extremely rare instances, I do not like watching pool for more than 15 minutes at a clip. I'm sorry if you don't appreciate this, but I was dreading that trip for about 50 reasons.

There's the not-so-small matter of KT's past, and the uncertainty it brings with it. But that's all I'll say on that matter.

Sure, $100k is a nice chunk of change, but for me to take myself out of corporate America for a couple years would require much more than that. I am not saying I make a boatload of money; I am just saying that, sometime in 2009 when I fall off the tour or it dies, I don't want to go to a job interview and tell them I was a professional pool player for the last three years. I would need much more than $100k per year to accept that risk.

Finally, if I had turned down both of the two job offers I received the week before I rescinded - in the expectation of playing in my first tournament at the end of January, imagine my delight at having to wait FIVE MORE MONTHS (at least) before getting that chance.

I could get fired tomorrow and I would still be at peace with my decision.

- Steve

P.S. So congratulations, your stupid little paragraph put me on tilt and I wrote about 10 things here I swore I never would, lol.
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Hear, Hear, Steve Lipsky, a man with a head on his shoulders!
2009? I'm still not convinced about 2006. And the $100,000 in royalties. I'll believe that when I see it. I started out very supportive of this tour, but events so far have caused me to rethink my support.

Does KT care? Doubtful. Do I care if KT cares? NO!
 
Steve I actually agree with you. I'll bet you find that hard to believe. But look at most of the pool pros and they all say they have been playing since they were 14. Sure, they dropped out of school and hustled all their lives. And have nothing between their ears. And no education to fall back on. And no job skills. But you do have that education and a fine job that most likely will repay you over the years. And the thought was running through my mind the other day thinking just what do pool players, or any sport jocks, actually do to contribute to society. Not much.

But, (always a but) since you were already accepted into the IPT why didn't you go to Orlando for the 5 days and then play in the first tournament? And then if you still didn't like it quit. Unless of course you couldn't get away for those 5 days.

But for those who don't make the top 100 in 2006 it will be over for them and then they will have to go on with their lives. But at least they didn't have to waste two years of their lives in the Army like I did when I was 23.

But we all have had to make choices over the years. Some easier than others. Some more for the betterment of our family than our own personal immediate gratification. I wish you great success in your chosen career.

As far as being known as a professional pool player, at present that is still
synonomous with being a hustler. The only people who really admire them are other professional pool players and not the public at large. That may change if the IPT makes it through 2008.

And right now the players are chasing the money. The carot is out there and the players are jumping through the hoops. Only time will tell how things work out.

Jake
 
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