Layered Tips Review (Results)

TomHay said:
Roger,

I give a 100% money back warranty. If you had problems where others have not, wish you had let me know.

I found your paypal, your money has been 100% refunded.

Thanks
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...and this makes me click your banner and sign up for the AZ discount. I'll be ordering soon. Not that I don't like the Kamui Black Med I'm using but with the above, willing to give my business to someone like you.

Tony
 
3andstop said:
But now with both pieces laying flat on the cement, continually drop a bowling ball on them. Which will fracture and come apart first?

That is more closely simulating the stress on a cue tip.
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Excellent point! Especially if the layers are progressively smaller (not thinner) as they are stacked, like a shaped tip.
 
3andstop said:
Certainly there are applications where laminated products benefit from added strength. In the case of the plywood comparison, lets try to more closely simulate relative uses.

If you cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood into an 18 in wide strip x 8" long,and placed it across two blocks so as to create a bridge, the plywood would be stronger to walk across than a 3/4" x 18" wide piece of solid birch.

But now take that same plywood, and that same solid sheet of 3/4" birch, and lay them flat on a concrete driveway. Which is more solid to walk across?

Probably neither because they are both backed by the cement, just like a tip is backed by the ferrule.

But now with both pieces laying flat on the cement, continually drop a bowling ball on them. Which will fracture and come apart first?

That is more closely simulating the stress on a cue tip.
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Tips definitely take a beating. They also are exposed to changes in humidity and temperature.. These are all things that "can" cause any layered tip to delaminate...

Most of the time a quality layered tip will live it's whole life without having any issues.

The part I hate is that if you do have a problem most of the time you don't see it when the layers start to come apart... You may get a funny sound or the tip stops getting the same action it normally does...
 
3andstop said:
Certainly there are applications where laminated products benefit from added strength. In the case of the plywood comparison, lets try to more closely simulate relative uses.

If you cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood into an 18 in wide strip x 8" long,and placed it across two blocks so as to create a bridge, the plywood would be stronger to walk across than a 3/4" x 18" wide piece of solid birch.

But now take that same plywood, and that same solid sheet of 3/4" birch, and lay them flat on a concrete driveway. Which is more solid to walk across?

Probably neither because they are both backed by the cement, just like a tip is backed by the ferrule.

But now with both pieces laying flat on the cement, continually drop a bowling ball on them. Which will fracture and come apart first?

That is more closely simulating the stress on a cue tip.
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The solid piece will fracture first if the other has my adhesive sandwhiched in. Proof of this is from testing done by my old company http://polyureaworldwide.com/content/video

Now we have to study the person submiting this type question. He can be quaoted as stating in a thread on laminate shafts he never paid over $35.00 for a shaft and never will. He gave a Pro Taper to his shaft using a drill he owned. IMO this shows cost before quality.

This is/was a thread on a review of Layered Tips. I am very proud in such a short time at the market place to have come in with so high a rating.

I suggest a thread be started with the topic non layered Tips VS Layered tips be started to stay on topic.

I have another video on one of my adhesives where a 9MM or 45 Caliper bullet could not penetrate it to show in that one. :smile:
 
3andstop said:
Certainly there are applications where laminated products benefit from added strength. In the case of the plywood comparison, lets try to more closely simulate relative uses.

If you cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood into an 18 in wide strip x 8" long,and placed it across two blocks so as to create a bridge, the plywood would be stronger to walk across than a 3/4" x 18" wide piece of solid birch.

But now take that same plywood, and that same solid sheet of 3/4" birch, and lay them flat on a concrete driveway. Which is more solid to walk across?

Probably neither because they are both backed by the cement, just like a tip is backed by the ferrule.

But now with both pieces laying flat on the cement, continually drop a bowling ball on them. Which will fracture and come apart first?

That is more closely simulating the stress on a cue tip.
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I don't know everything about urethane and polyurea adhesives and strength by overlaying but an agency had me put some things together for testing before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-UZDqCmUNM
 
Ultraskin Tips !

I do not believe there should be many people ( Cue repairmen/Players ) left that should doubt the quality of Tip that Tom Makes after what I have read in all the previous post.

First of all , a little about my background so you can understand where I am coming from....I am a local cue builder/repairman for 7 yrs. and an A+ pool player for the past 15 years.

I would Like to add a little something from my experience with Tom...

I first heard about the Ultraskin tips from a friend who had Roger (previous post with delamination problem) install one on his cue. My friend was very satisfied with the tip and suggested I try one .
I contacted Tom and inquired about what he had available? I purchased a med, soft and H and was very pleased with the quality and playability ...

I have purchased and installed over 90 of the Ultraskin tips !!! ( Med./Soft / VS/ H and HH)

****************To this date I have not had any delamination or problems with Utra skin tips.*********


Just a quick note.. I am also install a fair amount of Kamui and Moori so no one here thinks that I might be one sided.

NOT Karomi....(Delamintaion on 3 different ones )

Thank you Tom ,
Jay
 
bigjay said:
I do not believe there should be many people ( Cue repairmen/Players ) left that should doubt the quality of Tip that Tom Makes after what I have read in all the previous post.

First of all , a little about my background so you can understand where I am coming from....I am a local cue builder/repairman for 7 yrs. and an A+ pool player for the past 15 years.

I would Like to add a little something from my experience with Tom...

I first heard about the Ultraskin tips from a friend who had Roger (previous post with delamination problem) install one on his cue. My friend was very satisfied with the tip and suggested I try one .
I contacted Tom and inquired about what he had available? I purchased a med, soft and H and was very pleased with the quality and playability ...

I have purchased and installed over 90 of the Ultraskin tips !!! ( Med./Soft / VS/ H and HH)

****************To this date I have not had any delamination or problems with Utra skin tips.*********


Just a quick note.. I am also install a fair amount of Kamui and Moori so no one here thinks that I might be one sided.

NOT Karomi....(Delamintaion on 3 different ones )

Thank you Tom ,
Jay
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I have been using Tiger Everest, paid $8 for my first one 5-6 years ago. But their price has gotten way out of hand the last few years so I went searching online for another layered tip. Did allot of research and found this thread, its an older thread but read thru it and I've decided to give Ultraskin a try. Toms Ultraskin tips seem to be made well and the reviews are AOK. Tom also has kepts the price down and that is one reason I am gona try his tips.

To me its ridiculous to spent big bucks on something that cost pennys to make. Especially the Everest tip whos owners demand distributors cap their prices when reselling which is called MAP (Minimum Advertised Prices).
 
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