Layered vs non-layered?

ratcues

ratcues

Theewen Custom Cues
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What advantages are there to non-layered tips over layered tips? I have been working all sorts of tournaments and people ask me the difference between the two types. I have lots of pros and cons for layered but not so many for non-layered. Why should someone choose a non-layered tip other than price?



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ratcues said:
What advantages are there to non-layered tips over layered tips? I have been working all sorts of tournaments and people ask me the difference between the two types. I have lots of pros and cons for layered but not so many for non-layered. Why should someone choose a non-layered tip other than price?



<~~~I really like Snipers.:grin-square:
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For example, for a fraction of the priceof a soft layered tip you can ionstallan Elkmaster. If you burnish the edges & coat the edge with super glue you have the same feel & hit & it will not mushroom...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
For example, for a fraction of the priceof a soft layered tip you can ionstallan Elkmaster. If you burnish the edges & coat the edge with super glue you have the same feel & hit & it will not mushroom...JER
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That's the only reason I can come up with....price. Layered tips last longer, are more consistent, need less maintenance, don't mushroom as much...... Yes, layered tips can delaminate or you could end up between layers in the radius and have that void but that is like 1 in 100 tips. I feel like I unintentionally push layered tips in my pitch because I do not have enough "pros" for non-layered tips.
 
I like non layered tips because I like hard tips. And they just get harder with use, other than that I can't think of any real reason to use them. Lately I'm using a layered superpro and like it more than the Sumo and Lepro's that it is replacing.
 
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i have a real problem with layered tips and feeling the rotations i am placing on the cue ball. i seem to feel rpms better with a cut down lepro or triangle. triangle seems to bite the cue ball better on little masse's but lepro(even tho alot of people think they are junk) seem to translate cue ball rotation better for me. The medium Wizard seems like a good layered tip in that it is very similar to a medium moori but it holds chalk better than the new generation Moori's. Usually the layered tips will provide more action for the more challenged player as a pretty good player can do what he wants with whitey more consistently.:thumbup:
 
cubswin said:
I like non layered tips because I like hard tips. And they just get harder with use, other than that I can't think of any real reason to use them. Lately I'm using a layered superpro and like it more than the Sumo and Lepro's that it is replacing.
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I also like hard tips and this one reason that I like layered tips. They last like three times as long and seldom change hardness. With single layered tips the tip is constantly changing on you. No consistency for any length of time.

Dick
 
So...what I am gathering is there is no real advantage to a non-layered tip other than price?

I am starting to think that I could show up at a tournament with 5 different tips instead of the 70 or so that I stock. Lepro, triangle, elkmaster, Everest, Moori and maybe some phenolic tips. Those are the only tips that people know by name. I try and try to educate people, not only with tips, but everything but, in the end, the go with whatever I suggest and that troubles me. I do not want to overload or overwhelm people with information but how else do I educate them collectively instead of having the same conversation each time someone walks up to the booth....

Customer: Do I need a new tip?
me: (I inspect) How old is it?
C: I've had it for 7-8 years....
me: then yes, you need a tip. What kind do you want?
C: I dunno....what do you have?
me: almost every tip on the market.
C: what's the price?
me: $15(non-layered), $25(layered), $35(premium)
C: what's the difference?
me: (I go into the non-layered/layered and then pros and cons of each)
C: I dunno....
me: (a little frustrated but professional) How much do you want to spend, what speed do you play(as they glaze over), and how often do you play?
C: (customer answers my questions or at least gives me enough to fill in the blanks.)
me: I'd go with a <name tip here> and if you absolutely hate it, come back and I will change it for free.
C: ok.
 
as far as I can see, you can refer them to your website and ask them to read up on the tips.

I personally think wolfbite has more detailed info, but it's still incomplete. If you were to make your own sheet, or 'brochure', it would help people to know instantly if you would have a 'star rating' system on your tips. I would rate them by a combination of your personal preference and price.

It's just an idea. You could spend a month or even two months doing your brochure, print it up, put it out, with the knowledge you would revise it eventually, but in the long run, would eliminate the need to speak about tips ever again.

I have discovered that in business, people like to have something tangible put into their hands to take with them for free. That, IMO will give you an incredible edge.
 
Don't get me wrong, I love talking with the customers and helping them make a decision that helps them AND helps their game but I want to be able to educate, on-site, and collectively. I have thought about coming up with a brochure giving details of each tip like what they are made from, how they are made(non-layered, layered, synthetic), hardness, pictures..... It takes time and I wonder how to fit it on one tri-fold page. I guess I need to keep it simple.
 
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Ryan about all you can do is make up a menu so to speak of the tips. Laminate a couple copies of it and attach them to the bench. just point and answer questions. I have done this in the past and it seems to work although I must say some people just don't know what they want. And those you will have to take your time with. Hope I helped a little.


John
 
ratcues said:
So...what I am gathering is there is no real advantage to a non-layered tip other than price?

I am starting to think that I could show up at a tournament with 5 different tips instead of the 70 or so that I stock. Lepro, triangle, elkmaster, Everest, Moori and maybe some phenolic tips. Those are the only tips that people know by name. I try and try to educate people, not only with tips, but everything but, in the end, the go with whatever I suggest and that troubles me. I do not want to overload or overwhelm people with information but how else do I educate them collectively instead of having the same conversation each time someone walks up to the booth....

Customer: Do I need a new tip?
me: (I inspect) How old is it?
C: I've had it for 7-8 years....
me: then yes, you need a tip. What kind do you want?
C: I dunno....what do you have?
me: almost every tip on the market.
C: what's the price?
me: $15(non-layered), $25(layered), $35(premium)
C: what's the difference?
me: (I go into the non-layered/layered and then pros and cons of each)
C: I dunno....
me: (a little frustrated but professional) How much do you want to spend, what speed do you play(as they glaze over), and how often do you play?
C: (customer answers my questions or at least gives me enough to fill in the blanks.)
me: I'd go with a <name tip here> and if you absolutely hate it, come back and I will change it for free.
C: ok.
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I usually ask what their friends play with.
 
will8834 said:
It seems to me at some point with a layered tip you are playing on glue.
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I talk about that with the customers. It falls under the "cons" of the layered tips.

You are right. At some point you will be playing on glue but most quality tips minimize that seam. You will have a void once in a while but I estimate that at 1 in 100 tips. It may be not enough glue, an air pocket, or I have seen too much glue in spots. I suspect making tips is not as easy as I imagine. Just slathering glue onto leather sheets and pressing them.....
 
I like them both. I ordered some dudley tips and absolutley love them! I also ordered a few Wizards from Fast N Loose and those are great too. But I have to say, the old tip on my Schon is my favorite. I have no idea what brand it is, but it is a non-layered tip, and is the ideal hardness, and it plays as well if not better than the layered or dudleys. I will say that it also depends on what the table speed is, slow table, dudleys spin easier for me, fast table, Wizards are a little less easy for me to spin, and the old tip is great for all speeds, that is why I almost always use it. Price is a factor, but for me, the performance of a good layered tip far outweighs the extra expense. just my opinion....
 
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