League players! Good Shot or Bad?

[peppersauce]

First…Happy Thanksgiving, AZ!

Here’s the situation. You’re playing BCA 8-ball league and your opponent runs out to the 8 and lands really funny on it (Pictured) and calls the 8 in the corner. Opponent plays the shot as shown in the video, jacked up and shooting away from the 8.

Good or bad? I’m particularly interested in how all you league players see this. Is that how you’d play it?

Foul or no foul? BCA 8-ball league.

One more example. I posted this later on the thread, but thought I’d add it to the original post as well.

 

[Smutzc]

Foul, as the cue ball rolls forward of the tangent line, while hitting down on the ball. At least that is how I see it learning from this Dr Dave Video

 

[Poolhall60561]

Looks bad to me, foul.
Good chance foul not called by many league players

 

[Texas Carom Club]

I'd say bad, you still have a solid on the table lol, you'd have to stop them shooting and get a 3rd party person to watch the hit anyway and make the call

 

[rjb1168]

foul

 

[David in FL]

Foul

 

[ideologist]

And the "Fouls" have it

You avoid this in leagues by actually shooting away from the 8, not pushing through the 8

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Might have been a foul because of the elevated cue (stopping the CB from getting out of the way fast enough), but it doesn't have to be. I think there's enough available cut angle that you could hit the shot legally with a nearly level cue - maybe even more angle than shown here, allowing for throw.

pj
chgo

 

[David in FL]

I'd say bad, you still have a solid on the table lol, you'd have to stop them shooting and get a 3rd party person to watch the hit anyway and make the call

Yep.

I’d never allow them to shoot that without having it watched by someone who knows what they’re doing…

 

[gregcantrall]

Looks bad to me, foul.
Good chance foul not called by many league players

Pot luck even if I asked for a independent referee.
At the league level if they thought it was good, I would let them have it.

 

[NathanDetroit]

In league play, the opponent would call an observer. The demonstrated shot is too far away for anyone to call the shot other than the shooter.

My team would have one of us film the play, and then play it back in slow motion. Never a didpute.

 

[ChrisinNC]

First…Happy Thanksgiving, AZ!

Here’s the situation. You’re playing BCA 8-ball league and your opponent runs out to the 8 and lands really funny on it (Pictured) and calls the 8 in the corner. Opponent plays the shot as shown in the video, jacked up and shooting away from the 8.

Good or bad? I’m particularly interested in how all you league players see this. Is that how you’d play it?

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Foul or no foul? BCA 8-ball league.

I’m not a league player but I am a room owner and have directed tournaments here for 27 years. This is a tough one but an apparent foul as the cue ball had no draw spin on it / failed to draw back immediately after contact.

If he was hitting significantly away from the object ball, there’s no way the cue ball would have stopped that fast to not even make it past the side pockets.

The problem with a shot like this is that many players, especially league players, would not know this is a foul.

 

[Sealegs50]

It looks good to me. He hit down on the CB and away from the 8. I didn’t hear a double hit.

 

[Sealegs50]

Might have been a foul because of the elevated cue (stopping the CB from getting out of the way fast enough), but it doesn't have to be. I think there's enough available cut angle that you could hit the shot legally with a nearly level cue - maybe even more angle than shown here, allowing for throw.

pj
chgo

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if it is possible to hit the shot legally with a level cue, why wouldn’t it be legal to shoot the same shot while shooting down on the CB? I would think the level stroke to be more concerning.

 

[ideologist]

if it is possible to hit the shot legally with a level cue, why wouldn’t it be legal to shoot the same shot while shooting down on the CB? I would think the level stroke to be more concerning.

It's only possible with a level cue at the angle he noted

 

[Sealegs50]

I’m not a league player but I am a room owner and have directed tournaments here for 27 years. This is an obvious foul as the cue ball failed to draw back after contact.

The problem with a shot like this is that many players, especially league players, would not know this is a foul.

The shooter’s bridge hand is on the rail. He isn’t shooting to draw the CB.

 

[gregcantrall]

I encountered a similar situation in a tournament, playing a friend that weighs in at 650 on the Fargorate. He had given me ball in hand on the 8 which was a ball + a half inch off the end rail. He had 2 balls left and situated them very close on either side of the 8. Blocking both directions. I placed the cue ball between the 8 and the rail and called the far corner. He of course wanted to come to the table and look. Before he could ask for someone to watch the hit, I told him I trusted him and would accept his call as final.
Hard to trust the call of less experienced players. I made the masse drawing the cue ball backward to the rail getting the tip out just in time, made the 8 and he made the call. Obviously good.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The shooter’s bridge hand is on the rail. He isn’t shooting to draw the CB.

If he shoots downward he's shooting to draw the CB whether he means to or not.

pj
chgo

 

[David in FL]

It looks good to me. He hit down on the CB and away from the 8. I didn’t hear a double hit.

At that distance, most times you won’t actually be able to hear, or even see the double hit. It just happens too quickly. A good ref will determine fair or foul based on how the cue ball reacts after contact with the object ball.

if it is possible to hit the shot legally with a level cue, why wouldn’t it be legal to shoot the same shot while shooting down on the CB? I would think the level stroke to be more concerning.

I think that he meant that you could use a level cue by thinning the 8-ball.

The hit in question wasn’t nearly thin enough…

 

[Sealegs50]

It's only possible with a level cue at the angle he noted

Why? I just now shot that shot three times. I made the OB every time and I did not feel or hear a double hit.