Learn with an aiming system or not

one stroke said:
Well actualy he's not and his credentials far exceed yours and his proof is in hundreds if not thousands who have played the game at world class level buy his method ,,
In fact the only players you have provided were great players long before they learned CTE ,,
I'd venture to almost every single younger player has learned by the way he speaks of
Fact is aiming systems like CTE only aid the ones who suffer in aiming to begin with

For a guy like me who could see nat shit on a ball from 10 ft when I was younger and no longer have that ability it may aid me but would have had zero value to me when I was younger
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We are talking about DAM and not CTE.

The fact is that you are not a great player and neither is Dr. Dave and so for either of you to say what they do and what they think is ignorant at best and arrogant at worst. Not giving the ones who have learned or use aiming systems credit for understanding themselves well enough to make a definitive statement that those systems helped them out when they learned them is silly in my opinion.

Dave has no clue what the top players do because he has not interviewed them. I have interviewed a lot of them due to my proximity and interest in the subject and found out that many of them use some sort of systematic way to aim. Many figured out what they do on their own, some learned it from older players. Most don't reveal what they do because they feel that it gives them an edge. I have driven several thousand miles with many pros over the past 20 years, shared meals with them, sponsored them, paid their rent, and also taken lessons. Since being interested in aiming systems I have in fact picked their brains every chance I got.

So you and Dave can go on under the illusion that you KNOW what the elite players in the world do but I know that many of them have a lot of things that they do which are unique to them and not shared publicly. When asked publicly how they aim they give the standard ghost ball/feel/contact point answer and move on. It's easy and doesn't require them to reveal with they do and try to explain it or to take any heat for it.

Where Dave is right though is that the Quiet Eye technique is POWERFUL. That's not something he developed but it is something that the researcher who coined the phrase found that a lot of elite performers in all endeavors share.

So regardless of how one aims using Quiet Eyes really narrows the focus and lets the body do the work without any extra brain activity to mess it up.
 
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JB Cases said:
Where Dave is right though is that the Quiet Eye technique is POWERFUL. That's not something he developed but it is something that the researcher who coined the phrase found that a lot of elite performers in all endeavors share.
So regardless of how one aims using Quiet Eyes really narrows the focus and lets the body do the work without any extra brain activity to mess it up.
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The only time I ever played against Willie Mosconi, he mentioned this same thing.
Of course that was a very long time ago and this "quiet eye" idea hadn't even been touted in the game of golf, music, or other areas requiring intense concentration. It had no title.
He commented that he didn't understand how I missed so many shots since in his words, "your stroke is very pretty".
He suggested that I begin a routine of steady concentration after getting into shooting position.......and actually counting mentally a selected number of seconds that felt comfortable before pulling the trigger. The reasoning being that each person has a certain amount of time required for the brain to process the information it is receiving from the eyes. (this lends credence to Stan Shuffet's statements about "the eyes lead and the body follows".) Thus, the idea of 'quiet eyes'.
For myself, that turned out to be seven seconds.....and even to this day, by doing the seven second routine, my percentage of successful shots with accompanying position stays high. It is an excellent disciplinary tool that never fails to anchor me right back "into stroke" if I'm playing poorly. (really helped me to get to APA 3 level...quickly) :wink:
Coupling that with CTE aiming is sure to get me up to a 4 level soon...:):)
I'm surprised that this Dr. Dave pool player/instructor writes about this. I don't give most pool players (especially the 'big time gamblers' who robbed everybody) credit for having enough brains or insight to even discuss or consider such advanced theoretical thinking. He must be smarter than he appears. Obviously he is not one of the aforementioned group.
Maybe this is what happened to you in that match against Figueroa? (don't get all angry now)...but if you watch the way he played that match, he looked very quiet with his eyes and you were not. He's got a lot of dog in him too but he kept the "dog kinda' leashed" in that shootout. Maybe the quiet eyes helped him.
Don't hold your breath waiting for any of the big time gambling hustlers and bar beaters to acknowledge the existence of any such thing. They're too busy looking for a way to start a fist fight, blowing smoke about the old days with that bum Fats, creating an argument, or sneaking a way to cop a feel on someone's wife or girlfriend after making their latest score of blow.
Just my comments...no offense meant.
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DAM USEFUL ADVICE

The basics of the DAM system are: with a consistent pre-shot routine, visualize the required "angle of the shot" and required "line of aim" while standing, then align your vision center with the line of aim as you move your bridge hand and cue forward into your stance while keeping your focus on the object ball (or ghost-ball resting point, or contact point, or ball overlap, or whatever else defines your target), then follow all of the recommended stroke "best practices." Be sure to maintain "quiet eyes" both at the "set" aiming position, checking both the CB tip contact point and your aiming line, and when focusing on the object ball (or whatever target you have identified) during the final forward stroke. If you are a good shooter and maintain focus and don't do anything wrong during the entire DAM process, you will make every shot.
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Can't argue that.
 
JB Cases said:
We are talking about DAM and not CTE.

The fact is that you are not a great player and neither is Dr. Dave and so for either of you to say what they do and what they think is ignorant at best and arrogant at worst. Not giving the ones who have learned or use aiming systems credit for understanding themselves well enough to make a definitive statement that those systems helped them out when they learned them is silly in my opinion.

Dave has no clue what the top players do because he has not interviewed them. I have interviewed a lot of them due to my proximity and interest in the subject and found out that many of them use some sort of systematic way to aim. Many figured out what they do on their own, some learned it from older players. Most don't reveal what they do because they feel that it gives them an edge. I have driven several thousand miles with many pros over the past 20 years, shared meals with them, sponsored them, paid their rent, and also taken lessons. Since being interested in aiming systems I have in fact picked their brains every chance I got.

So you and Dave can go on under the illusion that you KNOW what the elite players in the world do but I know that many of them have a lot of things that they do which are unique to them and not shared publicly. When asked publicly how they aim they give the standard ghost ball/feel/contact point answer and move on. It's easy and doesn't require them to reveal with they do and try to explain it or to take any heat for it.

Where Dave is right though is that the Quiet Eye technique is POWERFUL. That's not something he developed but it is something that the researcher who coined the phrase found that a lot of elite performers in all endeavors share.

So regardless of how one aims using Quiet Eyes really narrows the focus and lets the body do the work without any extra brain activity to mess it up.
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Well Dr Dave didn't have to piggy back on someone's divised system that oh by the way is still being tweeked some 10 yrs later ,,
Names you have brought up didn't learn CTE until long after they learned to play a couple of them after thier prime grasping at straws trying to bring thier game back

There are no secrets pros are hiding no magic wand no fairy dust or magic carpet ride to elite level , someday some great player might say he learned to play using CTE as the have ghost ball and contact point , but as of yet it hasn't happened!!

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one stroke said:
Well Dr Dave didn't have to piggy back on someone's divised system that oh by the way is still being tweet some 10 yrs later ,,
Names you have brought up didn't learn CTE until long after they learned to play a couple of them after thier prime grasping at straws trying to bring thier game back

There are no secrets pros are hiding no magic wand no fairy dust or magic carpet ride to elite level , someday some great player might say he learned to play using CTE as the have ghost ball and contact point , but as of yet it hasn't happened!!

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Landon Shuffett.

Landon Shuffett vs Earl Strickland in the Diamond 10-Ball 10 Foot Challenge

"18 year old Landon Shuffett" (been using CTE since he was 12)

Spoiler: Landon wins 15:4 on the 10ft tables which Earl claims are the hardest conditions. This sequence in the last game though shows the power of CTE aiming combined with proper fundamentals. Landon is almost straight in on the five but he could try and force the cueball for better position. Instead he opts to cinch the five and take a long shot on the six. With CTE aiming to align him there is no need to subjectively imagine the shot line. Instead he has object reference points to use that he is very familiar with to get him lined up to easily go to the shot line. No hesitation, just eye up the aiming references, pick the right "key" and then let the body follow the eyes to get down into the shooting position. From there let the well honed stroke do the work. https://youtu.be/1HYQjoHjwL4?t=7447

And the game before that he missed the ten ball by a hair, which shows that all players can get a little yip on any shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HYQjoHjwL4&t=24s
 
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GoldenFlash said:
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The only time I ever played against Willie Mosconi, he mentioned this same thing.
Of course that was a very long time ago and this "quiet eye" idea hadn't even been touted in the game of golf, music, or other areas requiring intense concentration. It had no title.
He commented that he didn't understand how I missed so many shots since in his words, "your stroke is very pretty".
He suggested that I begin a routine of steady concentration after getting into shooting position.......and actually counting mentally a selected number of seconds that felt comfortable before pulling the trigger. The reasoning being that each person has a certain amount of time required for the brain to process the information it is receiving from the eyes. (this lends credence to Stan Shuffet's statements about "the eyes lead and the body follows".) Thus, the idea of 'quiet eyes'.
For myself, that turned out to be seven seconds.....and even to this day, by doing the seven second routine, my percentage of successful shots with accompanying position stays high. It is an excellent disciplinary tool that never fails to anchor me right back "into stroke" if I'm playing poorly. (really helped me to get to APA 3 level...quickly) :wink:
Coupling that with CTE aiming is sure to get me up to a 4 level soon...:):)
I'm surprised that this Dr. Dave pool player/instructor writes about this. I don't give most pool players (especially the 'big time gamblers' who robbed everybody) credit for having enough brains or insight to even discuss or consider such advanced theoretical thinking. He must be smarter than he appears. Obviously he is not one of the aforementioned group.
Maybe this is what happened to you in that match against Figueroa? (don't get all angry now)...but if you watch the way he played that match, he looked very quiet with his eyes and you were not. He's got a lot of dog in him too but he kept the "dog kinda' leashed" in that shootout. Maybe the quiet eyes helped him.
Don't hold your breath waiting for any of the big time gambling hustlers and bar beaters to acknowledge the existence of any such thing. They're too busy looking for a way to start a fist fight, blowing smoke about the old days with that bum Fats, creating an argument, or sneaking a way to cop a feel on someone's wife or girlfriend after making their latest score of blow.
Just my comments...no offense meant.
I can't resist the mischievous urge to post the following picture here. One of your critics here just LOVES it. This :p is for him. Rest assured he will notice it. :D
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I had nothing "quiet" about my game when I played Lou. It was adrenaline for most of the beginning of the match and mental incapacity for the rest of it....once I calmed down I was able to play a little better but was still too fast with a jerky stroke.
 
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one stroke said:
No but good players beat him all the time and that's what he is a good player measured against great players ,, his Fargo rate is 726 its good but not great


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And guess what, all the greats lose, all of them from Stickland, to Varner to Segal, to Hall, etc. They get knocked out of more tourneys than they come in first.

You win as much as this kid did by the age of 18, and yeah, that puts him in the category of great. You don't have to be in the HOF to be a great player. Beating Earl 15 - 3 ?? Sorry, that was a thumping and i'm Earls biggest fan.

The kid played against a HOF player and smoked him on a 10 foot table. How many folks in the world could beat Earl by 12 games in a race to 15?

I don't know, but I will bet $10K against anyone to pull that off :)
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
And guess what, all the greats lose, all of them from Stickland, to Varner to Segal, to Hall, etc. They get knocked out of more tourneys than they come in first.

You win as much as this kid did by the age of 18, and yeah, that puts him in the category of great. You don't have to be in the HOF to be a great player. Beating Earl 15.3 ?? Sorry, that was a thumping and i'm Earls biggest fan.

The kid played against a HOF player and smoked him on a 10 foot table. How many folks in the world could beat Earl by 12 games in a race to 15?

I don't know, but I will bet $10K against anyone to pull that off :)
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Ok JB we will work on that ,, hey if you think he's a great player that's your opinion, but IMO a great player is someone with multiple big tunry wins ,, he's simply not there yet ,

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one stroke said:
Landon is far from a great player ..


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Man the haterade is strong in this one.

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I don't know what your definition of a great player is but for as little as Landon has competed and with only 150 games in the Fargo Rating system I would say that Landon is in fact pretty close to the top already at the age of 22.

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You really go out of your way to be negative. It is quite sad.

Tyler Styer
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https://youtu.be/Dmw0DEfW_vM

Listen to the commentary in the video above from those who have undoubtedly had more experience around great players than you have by a large factor.

https://youtu.be/F972jFmTILU
 
Amazing. Landon has been using CTE since he was 12?
Yet today, cte is still a confusing system.
Heck, it might be proprietary now.
 
one stroke said:
No but good players beat him all the time and that's what he is a good player measured against great players ,, his Fargo rate is 726 its good but not great


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726 is good but not great? Hmmm.... What good players beat him all the time? Landon rarely competes outside his college team matches so please provide a list of the players who beat him all the time.



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JB Cases said:
726 is good but not great? Hmmm.... What good players beat him all the time? Landon rarely competes outside his college team matches so please provide a list of the players who beat him all the time.



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His own team mate according to Mark Wilson.
He is the second best player in his team.
Another day, another argument.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
His own team mate according to Mark Wilson.
He is the second best player in his team.
Another day, another argument.
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By less than 10 rating points. They are dead even as far as skill goes.

But what would be your point? No one has said that a player cannot become great without CTE. But some have said that no player has ever become great using CTE and Landon would be a clear example of someone who did become great using CTE as his aiming system.

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JB Cases said:
By less than 10 rating points. They are dead even as far as skill goes.

But what would be your point? No one has said that a player cannot become great without CTE. But some have said that no player has ever become great using CTE and Landon would be a clear example of someone who did become great using CTE as his aiming system.

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You asked who beats him.

Landon would have been great if he had never heard of CTE.
Please. He was running racks before he turned 12.
Just like those monsters in China, Taiwan and the Philippines.
Running racks with their side saddle stroke because they could barely reach the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2CCAJta3q8&t=145s
They would run racks with that exercise.

Efren and Busti were already beating regional champions by the time they turned 13. Elbows tucked in and standing on beer boxes.
 
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