Nothing wrong with lessons from a good instructor.
Sadly, there aren't that many.
A lot of them sell game in a bottle.
Learn with an aiming system or not
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Nothing wrong with lessons from a good instructor.
Sadly, there aren't that many.
A lot of them sell game in a bottle.
Why bother taking the bait?
Because I know he won't make a list of so-called "bad" instructors.
John, use your brain. If there were a lot of good instructors, travelling instructors would go out of business or just stay home.
I see, so traveling instructors are the good ones?
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If you tell them they will... but I mean, they don't know what they don't know. So, i'm glad you agree, good instruction is mandatory, as it provides strong fundamentals. I had a student say he wanted to come a few years ago, but his buddies said don't waste your time and money, lessons will only make it worse ???
He was soon pissed he wasted a few years with his poor mechanics and his terrible aiming to find out it was all correctable in a weekend.
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Yet those same people of whom you speak, would not hesitate for a second to agree that when learning to swim, just jumping into the deep water without indoctrination and hoping for the best is a very foolish thing to do.
Those same people would not hesitate to take instructions concerning stance, grip, and approach, on how to hit a golf ball if they were learning the game.
Those same people, if they played baseball, would soak up any info on how to better their odds to hit the low and away pitch.
But when it comes to pool shooting.....there is an entirely different reaction.
Beats me............:shrug:
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Not really.... same thing in golf. Even baseball to a lesser extent. Bowling to a great extent.
Looking at FargoRate, Stevie Moore is the highest rated CTE player. Here are some matches of the head of the gang against guys that don't use CTE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHq-rN0TqIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJ4rt_V-js&t=15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8w81Q_0ek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eFiUI7oufo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XQhjiGMQ5c&t=17s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLR4bXOvPE
I don't see any decided advantage to using CTE vs other forms of aiming. In only one of the above matches, did Stevie win. And he's the highest Fargo rated known Pro One user. So, I am willing to say that fundamentals play a larger part in playing at a high level than the aiming system chosen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHq-rN0TqIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnJ4rt_V-js&t=15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8w81Q_0ek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eFiUI7oufo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XQhjiGMQ5c&t=17s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLR4bXOvPE
I don't see any decided advantage to using CTE vs other forms of aiming. In only one of the above matches, did Stevie win. And he's the highest Fargo rated known Pro One user. So, I am willing to say that fundamentals play a larger part in playing at a high level than the aiming system chosen.
Aiming is only one part of many parts necessary to playing top notch pool. Why would you hold up not winning to be attributable mainly to aiming? It doesn't make any sense, and is a non-argument to start with.
Yet Landon's win over Earl is proof that CTE works? Got it.
The hypocrisy is strong in this thread.
I would have to say you have to do what works for you whether it be feel, HAMB, CTE, Ghost Ball or whatever else. For me I used to guess and go strictly on feel and for bank shots I still do with good success. I learned an aiming method a few years back and it really helped my game. I would say it helped me more then anything.
This along with practice, tournaments, action, streaming videos and watching videos helped me to improve a couple balls. My pocketing went up quite a bit as I knew where to hit the ball using the shaft method. Biggest thing though was keeping still and working on mechanics which drills certainly improved upon these shortcomings.
To become a good solid player it takes so many things, there is no magic bullet but for me the aiming method I learned made sense to me so therefor it worked for me. Do what works for you but please don't bash those with aiming systems if it works for them because I don't bash feel players especially when they are making the balls.
This along with practice, tournaments, action, streaming videos and watching videos helped me to improve a couple balls. My pocketing went up quite a bit as I knew where to hit the ball using the shaft method. Biggest thing though was keeping still and working on mechanics which drills certainly improved upon these shortcomings.
To become a good solid player it takes so many things, there is no magic bullet but for me the aiming method I learned made sense to me so therefor it worked for me. Do what works for you but please don't bash those with aiming systems if it works for them because I don't bash feel players especially when they are making the balls.
You would have a great point if CTE were a plug and play system, but it's not.
So you don't.
Yet that's how most of its proponents portray it. All of us "ghostballers" are using the wrong system, according to JB's YouTube page. We should all be learning and using CTE, because Stan and Landon could beat us all in a shotmaking contest.
Yet, in pool matches, the grand sensei of CTE, Stevie Moore, isn't a lock against people that don't use CTE. So....where's the motivation to learn something that, in real pool situations, doesn't prove to be any better than any other aiming system in revelant objective data?
What hypocrisy? Yes, Landon winning with it is proof that it works. If it didn't work, he wouldn't be aiming correctly to pocket balls, and then would most definitely lose. Nobody can win if they can't properly aim a ball to pocket it. But, being able to properly aim isn't the only requirement to win.
So, in your mind, CTE is no good because apples don't taste like oranges? And, yes, that statement makes just as much sense as your statement above does.
How is it that you don't understand the difference between a shot making contest, and an actual game of pool? Do you really think that the best shotmaker is always the dead lock to win any game of pool? That all it takes to be a winner at pool is to become a great shotmaker?
Also, what is this relevant objective data you speak of? Since the only data pertinent would be shots taken vs. shots made. Win-loss record would be totally irrelevant.
This is the issue in a nutshell.....not understanding what it takes to prove something works.
Like a car........there are drawings that back up how a car works.
You can not prove that anyone is using CTE as described in any format.
I can say I use ghostball a certain way, make shots, but that doesn't prove that,truly,in my mind, I used ghostball the way I described.
If the subconscious takes ever, how do you know if it is truly using CTE?