Leon Sly?

measureman said:
another thread gone down the toilet of bickering and insults.
glad to see 2021 will be the same here as all the previous years.
good job people.
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i feel the same way buddy.
i seen a gentleman basically worried about if he was gonna get screwed over by sly. by the content of his post. i simply told him about what happened to sly a couple years ago and do some search on it. as i would want someone to warn me about someone.
and since then. i have been basically attacked by 2 on here. and im simply defending myself.
i mean i have been a member for 7 years on this site and i was on this site for like over 2 years before i even joined. if u look at my posts i only have barely 400 posts in 7 years. and 90 percent of those is posting in the for sale section. im always respectful with people until they think they can disrespect me. and that aint gonna happen with key board warriors as like today. or in real life.
 
mrkdenton said:
i feel the same way buddy.
i seen a gentleman basically worried about if he was gonna get screwed over by sly. by the content of his post. i simply told him about what happened to sly a couple years ago and do some search on it. as i would want someone to warn me about someone.
and since then. i have been basically attacked by 2 on here. and im simply defending myself.
i mean i have been a member for 7 years on this site and i was on this site for like over 2 years before i even joined. if u look at my posts i only have barely 400 posts in 7 years. and 90 percent of those is posting in the for sale section. im always respectful with people until they think they can disrespect me. and that aint gonna happen with key board warriors as like today. or in real life.
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It was years ago. Why even bring it up??
 
Michael Webb said:
DO YOU HAVE PROOF.
Or did you just see an opportunity to bring up something that was never proven???
He said she said shit is bad business. ESPECIALLY if your a Cue maker!
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There was proof presented, Pat posted screenshots of his conversation with Leon where he admitted to having Harris build cues for him.

Dunno how much proof folks need, odd how after the screenshots were posted, Leon never posted on here again..
 
I'll say this too, if I paid someone to build a cue, lets say someone like Pete and I am paying premium price, then he farms the work out to Eddie Wheat because he got behind, I am paying top dollar for Wheat to build my cue because Pete took to many orders, that's straight up BS.

(Never heard of Pete doing that, just a made up example)

Ya'll cuemakers making excuses for that reflects on you personally, would ya'll do that too?

How anyone could defend the guy is literally beyond me.
 
Snooker Theory said:
There was proof presented, Pat posted screenshots of his conversation with Leon where he admitted to having Harris build cues for him.

Dunno how much proof folks need, odd how after the screenshots were posted, Leon never posted on here again..
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Correction.
Denton and yourself have a point.
Mr. Denton. Yes Sir. You hit a sour note because your working to become a Cue maker. There's more to it than just making Cues.
What does what happened then have to do with today?
Nothing!
I don't know why Leon left. I've never asked him nor will I. I admit. I've never asked him about that situation either.
It's none of my business.
What I do know is, you can't change the past. You can accept and learn from it and go forward or give up.
 
Michael Webb said:
Correction.
Denton and yourself have a point.
Mr. Denton. Yes Sir. You hit a sour note because your working to become a Cue maker. There's more to it than just making Cues.
What does what happened then have to do with today?
Nothing!
I don't know why Leon left. I've never asked him nor will I. I admit. I've never asked him about that situation either.
It's none of my business.
What I do know is, you can't change the past. You can accept and learn from it and go forward or give up.
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How can anyone learn from the past, if when past actions are brought up they get scolded?

Is Leon the only person who is entitled to learn from the past, potential customers aren't afforded the luxury to learn that he admits to farming out work to a cuemaker who doesn't command nearly the price that he does.

Like if you paid Pete to build you a cue, and Eddie Wheat built it, would you be stoked?

If we leave the past in the past and never discuss it, it is forgotten.
 
Last post on the topic...

I just want to say I have a deep respect for both you and Mr. Brainard. I am not a cuemaker, so my opinion probably varies quite a bit from you guys who are in the industry. Cue buyers I assume see things a bit differently than cue makers and maybe that is where the different views come from on the topic

I will always be grateful to Mr. Webb for the time he dedicates here, the questions he answers and the pictures he takes time to post to help folks understand the process.

Thanks for your .02 and hopefully I didn't step on anyone's toes with my .02.
 
Snooker Theory said:
Last post on the topic...

I just want to say I have a deep respect for both you and Mr. Brainard. I am not a cuemaker, so my opinion probably varies quite a bit from you guys who are in the industry. Cue buyers I assume see things a bit differently than cue makers and maybe that is where the different views come from on the topic

I will always be grateful to Mr. Webb for the time he dedicates here, the questions he answers and the pictures he takes time to post to help folks understand the process.

Thanks for your .02 and hopefully I didn't step on anyone's toes with my .02.
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I respect you totally. I always have.
But......
Your previous post sounds like our past defines us????
Please correct me.
 
Michael Webb said:
DO YOU HAVE PROOF.
Or did you just see an opportunity to bring up something that was never proven???
He said she said shit is bad business. ESPECIALLY if your a Cue maker!
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I have proof, from Leon's mouth. I posted it on this forum previously. Leon admitted to it, but he's mad about it. No wonder his cue production fell off when that other maker's shop closed...

He got mad about it and said I knocked off Balabushka cues that somehow got letters from Pete. So either I'm the world's foremost antique forger, or Pete wrote me fake letters, or it never happened.
 
ideologist said:
I have proof, from Leon's mouth. I posted it on this forum previously. Leon admitted to it, but he's mad about it. No wonder his cue production fell off when that other maker's shop closed...

He got mad about it and said I knocked off Balabushka cues that somehow got letters from Pete. So either I'm the world's foremost antique forger, or Pete wrote me fake letters, or it never happened.
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I knew it wouldn't be long before you joined the party. I remember the stories very well but I don't dwell on the past. I learn from it and that goes for people too.
Happy New Year Patrick
 
What we have here is another Jackpot related incident. As a billiards consumer I like to know the background dealings of builders, sellers, table mechanics etc.

How else do you know who to trust with your business? A shady past is indeed indicative of a person's future credibility.
 
Well hopefully some of you won't be trying to get on a Parole board somewhere.
I feel truly blessed to be in such a perfect group of people.
Truly.
I'm envious.

And to Patrick. I use to think you were just a trouble maker but people change.
I still think of you as a trouble maker but at least I have respect for you as a Historian. You've done well.
 
Michael Webb said:
I knew it wouldn't be long before you joined the party. I remember the stories very well but I don't dwell on the past. I learn from it and that goes for people too.
Happy New Year Patrick
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What? You made another pedantic request of people and I still have that proof, admission from Leon. What's wrong with me answering you?

Don't you have cues to finish? I certainly have more Balabushkas to create. 😅
 
nitro28 said:
Leon is supposed to be making me a cue I ordered last year about this time. I have tried to reach out to him to check in but I am getting no response. Anyone happen to know him or have talked to him recently? Its only been a few days but I'm starting to get concerned. Thanks.
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Hopefully you didn't pay upfront
 
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