Lesson from Scott Lee

MinoInADixeCup

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I was going to wait a couple weeks before I posted a review of my lesson with Scott Lee, but the results have been so apparent to myself and those I play with and against that I just had to get it out. Warning, this is going to long.

For the first 2.5 months of this year, I've been struggling. It's not so much that I've played bad; I just haven't been able to count on my shots being there when I need them. Some days I was able to run out from anywhere and the next day I couldn't toss out 5 balls with BIH and run out with any consistency. I finally got frustrated enough last week to do something serious about it.

Last Friday I noticed that Scott Lee lived in Battle Creek Michigan, I live near Detroit Michigan. After reading through many of his posts here on AZ, I decided to contact him about getting some lessons.

Scott was able to come out the very next day and work with me. I liked the fact that he didn't start off by kicking my ass several times to demonstrate how much better he was at the game. Instead he had me shot a few shots that he video recorded.

The video analysis of my fundamentals was extremely complete, pointing out several very small and not so small things I was not even aware I was doing. He also discussed in great detail why my mistakes were detrimental to playing good consistent pool and how we were going to correct them.

Then we got down to the work of fixing my stroke and giving me a very specific preshot routine that I could always count on. I've read many instructions/descriptions and I've seen many videos of pendulum strokes, I thought I had it down pretty well. All I can say is, until someone actually makes you aware of exactly how the stroke is supposed to feel, it's very difficult to reproduce. A good pendulum stroke feels very odd at first, but after a few hundred shots, starts to feel natural.

We finished up by going over several drills including a speed control drill that has already improved my position play way above what I used to feel was my best game.

Ok, now onto the results. Scott suggested that I not try out all this new material in competition until I've had a few weeks to practice and let it all sink in. However, since none of my teams were really in danger of losing a position and we didn't have much chance of moving up either, I decided to just jump in and try it. I think that because of all the changes I've tried making in my stroke, stance, aiming techniques, etc... on my own for the last couple months; I was able to incorporate Scotts teachings very quickly. My week has gone like this:

Tuesday: I finally got a chance to practice for 7 hours on my table. Then I went to the pool hall to play in the toughest league I play in. It's a 2 man league and we each play 8 games, 4 against each opponent. They played very tough because it was position night and they were trying to climb over us. I won 5 out of 8 games and they each broke and ran a rack on me, so I really only lost 1 game where I got to shoot. Not bad for just 7 hours of practice with a new stroke and preshot.

Wednesday: This is a very weak league that many people want me kicked off of because they say it's no fun to lose to me. I ran out 2 racks from my opponents break and could have broke and ran another, but I was playing the girl, so I ran to the 8 and gave her BIH a couple times so she could make some balls.

Thursday: This is a much stronger league then Wednesday, but not as tough as Tuesday. I broke and ran 1 rack and ran out my first time at the table 3 other times. Overall, I won 7 out of 8 games.

This was the first time in the 12 week long league that I felt like I shot well all 3 nights.


I'll just call this next list, "things I?ve noticed most"

1. Long straight shots. These shots used to be either on or off on any given day. Now I don't even think about them. Out of the 30 or 40 of them that I've shot at in games or practice this week, I think I've missed about 5. That right there shows me how much straighter and more consistent my stoke has already become.

2. I hardly ever walk away from the table anymore wondering why I missed a shot.

3. Banks - I've never been good at bank shots, even supposedly easy banks. Now I'm not only making most of the ones I'm forced to try, I'm even deliberately playing position to set up an easy bank rather then trying to play a very difficult position for a cut shot.

4. Cut shots - I've always been pretty good at cuts. Now I'm just more consistent and I'm playing better position off of them.

5. Position play in general is much improved over my old game. I'm able to get much more specific when I decide I want to get a certain angle on my next object ball. It's because of this that I've been able to get out so consistently this week.

6. Breaks - My brake is another area of my game that has always been hit or miss. Now when I break 8 ball racks, I'm spreading the balls out all over the table every time and the cue ball is usually sitting right in the center of the table unless it gets hit by another ball. I'm still working on making a ball more consistently, but I'm making one at least as often as I did before the lesson.

7. 14.1 - last night, while warming up, I was playing a little 14.1 starting out with a full break of the balls. I had no trouble getting into the second rack most of the time and I just wasn't missing the easy shots because of lack of concentration like I used to. As long as I stuck with my preshot routine, I didn't miss the easy shots and rarely had to shot at tougher shots.

8. I simply don't have to concentrate as hard to make balls. This frees up my mind to concentrate on better speed control which leads to better position play, which leads to easier run outs.

9. Less miscues on extream English or draw shots.

To sum everything up, Scott Lee is a fantastic instructor. He doesn't just tell you what to do; he explains why doing it that way will lead to more consistent play. By helping me fix my stroke and giving me a consistent preshot routine, I feel like I can meet or exceed all the goals I've set for myself this year sooner then I thought possible.

Thanks Scott, when you get back in town, you might get a couple calls from some friends of mine.
 
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MinoInADixeCup said:
To sum everything up, Scott Lee is a fantastic instructor. He doesn't just tell you what to do; he explains why doing it that way will lead to more consistent play.

I swear he loses money on this. By explaining all the reasons behind the stroke mechanics, pre-shot routine components, and training techniques, he equips you to fix issues in your stroke/game yourself whenever they may arise. He practically equips you to become instructor to other players you know. Seems like he's decreasing demand for his services by doing so.

Of course, it certainly helps his word-of-mouth recommendation network, which seems to be what puts dinner on his table.

-Andrew
 
There is no value (books-videos) that can replace the "hands on" of a qualified instructor. Have camera will travel....Scott Lee.

Great follow-up...thanks
SPF=randyg
 
I need to get my butt in gear and do my Scott Lee follow up as well, but I don't know where it would end, so I'm hesitant to get started.

Let me tell you, he is truly passionate about what he is doing, and is a great ambassador for the game.

I bumped into Cooper and Scott to say hello at the Super Billiard Expo a few weeks while he was working a booth, and wound up receiving another pool lesson.

He really cares about what he is doing, and feel that he would be helping pool players elevate their game for free if he would be able to do it.

Personally, my game needed months to get back into "just playing", and for some, it may take days or weeks. Everyone is different.

Glad to see others benefit from Scott's instruction, unless I have to match up with you!
 
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The other night in the last match of league before playoffs, we had the luxury of the first 3 people being tied in % wins. So we could more or less control or playing positions going into playoffs. My captain said he wanted me in 2nd place because I was more consistent than our 3rd player. Even though the other guy has more skill when he is on than me, the captain wanted me playing second because of my consistency. I attribute that consistency directly to Scott Lee and Randy G. fwiw.
 
catscradle said:
The other night in the last match of league before playoffs, we had the luxury of the first 3 people being tied in % wins. So we could more or less control or playing positions going into playoffs. My captain said he wanted me in 2nd place because I was more consistent than our 3rd player. Even though the other guy has more skill when he is on than me, the captain wanted me playing second because of my consistency. I attribute that consistency directly to Scott Lee and Randy G. fwiw.

That's the main thing that I wanted to get out of my lesson from Scott, a level of consistency that just didn't exist for me with my old mechanics. I wanted to stop walking away from the table asking myself how the hell I missed such an easy shot.
 
While I know its difficult, you probably are not doing yourself any good by competing so quickly after your lessons. I suggest you talk to Scott about that.
 
coopdeville said:
All this from one lesson?! :D

LOL, it's not like I wasn't able to run out a time or 2 per night before the lesson. :D

I'm just amazed at how quickly I've been able to get back to my average game after switching strokes. In some ways, I've exceeded my average game. Granted, it's only been a week and I guess the wheels could come off at any time, but I don't think they are going to.

Deadon said:
While I know its difficult, you probably are not doing yourself any good by competing so quickly after your lessons. I suggest you talk to Scott about that.

This is a concern of mine. Tomorrow I'm going to get some video of me shooting through the mother drills and send the link to Scott to get his opinion of how I'm doing. I do not want to go back to my old habits.
 
Andrew Manning said:
I swear he loses money on this. By explaining all the reasons behind the stroke mechanics, pre-shot routine components, and training techniques, he equips you to fix issues in your stroke/game yourself whenever they may arise. He practically equips you to become instructor to other players you know. Seems like he's decreasing demand for his services by doing so.

Of course, it certainly helps his word-of-mouth recommendation network, which seems to be what puts dinner on his table.

-Andrew

I'm not sure if he realizes it or not, but he also gives a great lesson on video analysis.

When he gets back in town, I want to have him over again for a couple hours to make sure I'm not developing any bad habits and if I am I want to catch them before they get too ingrained.
 
pool'scool

I've worked with Scott a couple times and look forward to more
in the future. We'll be doing a 3 day school here in Harrisburg in June.
 
Scott Lee will be one of the featured Instructors in our two Virgina (Richmond & Fairfax) Pool Schools this June. Private lessons can also be arranged during the week in between.......SPF=randyg

More info: www.poolschool.info
 
Thanks for the kind words, to all that posted. As anyone who knows me knows, I am always willing to share anything I know with anyone else, whether it is a paid lesson or not. Thanks for your concern Andrew, but I'm in no danger of running out of students anytime this century! Seems like the more people I work with, the more seek me out. :D It is a simple joy to have this job...and I'll keep doing it for many years to come! MinoInADixeCup was fortunate. I had just one day to work with him, as I was leaving for a month's vacation in FL, within a few days. I had the opportunity to work with another student in Atlanta on Thursday, and am now down in the Clearwater area, ensconced in my condo! The weather is great, and my wife and I are looking forward to a relaxing month. I will be doing a few lessons over the course of the month, so anyone interested, can PM me.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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Deadon said:
While I know its difficult, you probably are not doing yourself any good by competing so quickly after your lessons. I suggest you talk to Scott about that.

i agree, this is a voice of experience, i'm just agreeing with it. give your self a bit of time.


i have had a lession from Scott and recommend him to anyone.
 
accidentally took a lesson

a month or so ago from Scott at my room in Flint and glad I did. I am guilty of stealing some ideas and have passed them on to some of our younger (15&under) players. I believe it takes several weeks of practice to get comfortable with some of the concepts, especially pep. Once you do though, you will never go back. Count me as another unsolicited recommendation for Scott.
 
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