People that use cues with plastic ferrules generally are not overly worried about the quality of tip they are using.
Never seen a Wal Fart cue with a layered tip on it.
Never seen a Wal Fart cue with a layered tip on it.
Like to buy some Kamui Clear tips
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"Plastic" is such an ugly word...
Very few cues are coming out that have a porous ferrule material. That includes melamines, Aegis, Ivorine, Ivor-X, LBM, ivory, etc. Customs, yes, but they are not the majority on the market.
Titan, Porper, PVC, ABS, ETC, Predator, MPI, among others are polymers, which used to be called plastic. Some of these are light, extremely strong, and well made.
Very few cues are coming out that have a porous ferrule material. That includes melamines, Aegis, Ivorine, Ivor-X, LBM, ivory, etc. Customs, yes, but they are not the majority on the market.
Titan, Porper, PVC, ABS, ETC, Predator, MPI, among others are polymers, which used to be called plastic. Some of these are light, extremely strong, and well made.
I did 2 Kamui softs yesterday on a "matched pair" of Minnesota Fats wally world specials. I think I charged more for one tip than he paid for the pair of cues.
Hell, I did one last week on a cue that was entirely covered in green stain and clear coat, shaft and all. He said he paid $10 bucks for it years ago at Sears.
I sold the "best" league player a Kamui several years back, and since then all the bangers have thought they needed a Kamui to play as good as him. The beauty of pool players is they need all the newest gadgets so they have more.things to blame when they miss.
It's amazing how advertising works. No matter if you put a dress on a pig it's still just going to be a pig! Lol
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No way Opie. Its gonna be a sexy pig.
I'd argue that point. For example, the Porper ferrule, which we make in house, is a type of polycarbonate. Its the same type of "plastic" used in bullet proof glass so it almost indestructible. It is very light, non-porous so it doesn't stain with chalk, and I use it on all of my spec cues.
Just doing some pondering
I quit smoking almost 4 years ago. I figure I have saved 10k right there. I only have 1 or 2 alcoholic drinks a week. I also don't partake in any other recreational stimulants. Pool is my hobby. I don't think its so bad if I spend a few extra dollars on pool stuff, like a new kind of tip maybe? I've spent a lot of those recreational pool dollars with people right here on AZ. Are you all sugesting that I should stop doing that, because that is what I seem to be reading in this thread. Maybe that right there has something to do with what is wrong with pool.
I quit smoking almost 4 years ago. I figure I have saved 10k right there. I only have 1 or 2 alcoholic drinks a week. I also don't partake in any other recreational stimulants. Pool is my hobby. I don't think its so bad if I spend a few extra dollars on pool stuff, like a new kind of tip maybe? I've spent a lot of those recreational pool dollars with people right here on AZ. Are you all sugesting that I should stop doing that, because that is what I seem to be reading in this thread. Maybe that right there has something to do with what is wrong with pool.
Isn't that a good thing for pool?
I'm gonna have one of them there sexy pigs right there on the end of my pool stick, and you all can just make fun of my purty dress all you want.
Ryan, I have juma ferules on several of my shafts. What is your opinion of juma ferules?
Sorry Ryan I don't think I was clear as to what I was referring to. Your reference to the word "plastic" being changed to "polymers". Polymer is just another word for the type of molecular structure in the plastic. So for marketing purposes "polymer" sounds less cheap. Coming from a plastics background I agree that poly carbonate is a great material for ferrules and other parts of a cue. I've processed a bunch of the stuff.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Juma is pretty strong as well. It has a glass component to it making it pretty durable. It is harder than the "plastics" and heavier as well. Non-porous so it will not take on chalk dust.
Back to the original topic, no one is forcing anyone to buy Kamui tips and the tips are only worth what a person is willing to pay for them. Obviously, Kamui tips are worth the price because people are paying it. I can't tell you that it will always be that way. There may be the next-big-thing coming out next week. This is what I can say; at the SBE, I was installing Kamui tips 10:1 over all other tips combined. I only installed 3 Moori tips. I am not saying they are better. I'm saying that they are damn good and consistent tips.
That is a lot of what you pay for; consistency. Consistency from tip to tip AND consistency throughout the life of each tip. Can a person play as well with a triangle? Yes. I love triangle tips. That's not really the point. Each tip offers a different playabilty aspect that may or may not suit one's game. That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less.
<~~not affiliated with Kamui in any way shape or form. Just giving my experience...
I had used Champion tips quite some time back in the day, went to Moori when they come out and used them a lot of years. Then went to Kamui black when they come out. All of them miscue at some point as nothing is perfect. But the Kamui is definitely more consistent, and does not mushroom for me like Moori's did.
Average price on those tips from a quick online search,
Kamui Black $21.75
Moori Tip $19.95
So a small difference in pricing. And I am sure better pricing is out there.
Kamui chalk on the other hand is another story... It is marked up absurdly more than other chalks...
While I agree Kamui puts a lot back in the sport, other businesses do as well. So that's no argument. Look at Diamond for instance. They give to the sport, and still offer about the best pool table at a much cheaper price than a GC V.
Average price on those tips from a quick online search,
Kamui Black $21.75
Moori Tip $19.95
So a small difference in pricing. And I am sure better pricing is out there.
Kamui chalk on the other hand is another story... It is marked up absurdly more than other chalks...
While I agree Kamui puts a lot back in the sport, other businesses do as well. So that's no argument. Look at Diamond for instance. They give to the sport, and still offer about the best pool table at a much cheaper price than a GC V.
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Thank you Ryan for a very insightful response. This is what I was looking for, someone who knows what they are talking about. I have found that anything relating to pool that I find interesting helps me play better pool, because it gets me to spend more table time finding out if it works for me. Kamui tips has been one of those things that has helped me to play more consistantly, so I thought if they are coming out with an improved version, I would like to try one.
My Gosh....What A Silly Fuss
Kamui clear tips.....a gimmick?
Perhaps but probably not. As far as price, it was mentioned earlier the price will be the same as the Kamui Black tips......sounds reasonable then.....doesn't look like the clear tip will be over-priced. Do these same folks that knock the price or gimmicky aspect of the Kamui Clear Tip feel the same way about expensive cue chalk. With my car, I always use the very best car wax,.......for my ammunition, I always buy the top brands, regardless of price. Look, I spent a bunch of money on my cues so when it comes to tips, I want nothing but the best. The best isn't determined by price and instead, by one's subjective preference for playability. If that happens to coincide with a more expensive tip, so be it.
Kamui chalk...another gimmick? Perhaps but I don't think so but then again, I don't use inexpensive chalk either.....I use Blue Diamond, cheaper than Kamui but more than Master Chalk, Triangle etc. I use it because it's a higher quality chalk that doesn't flake or chip like regular, adheres better to my cue tips and Blue Diamond happens to cost a little more....nothing like Kamui but a lot more than house brand chalks.
So back to Kamui Clear Tips, there's no gimmick here. Kamui makes a top notch, very high quality tip. They changed the design and maybe it will play better.....I can't wait to get one to find out. If you don't like the existing line of Kamui tips, you won't like the clear version...simple as that. If you play with the any of the Kamui line of tips now, then you may prefer the new Kamui Clear Tip over what you currently use.....but you'll probably stay with Kamui one way or another when it's time to replace your tip.
Personally, I'm a fan of Kamui Onyx tip (medium) but.....ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A KAMUI CLEAR TIP (medium) TO PART WITH? Please contact me by PM anytime and soon I hope because I need to replace a tip right now on one of my Scruggs cue shafts.
IMO.........KAMUI ROCKS!...........I even use the Kamui leather bridge.....another two thumbs up on that bridge.....will never mark your cue shaft! Remember.....One Kamui Clear Tip Medium......Anyone out there with one?
Matt B.
Kamui clear tips.....a gimmick?
Perhaps but probably not. As far as price, it was mentioned earlier the price will be the same as the Kamui Black tips......sounds reasonable then.....doesn't look like the clear tip will be over-priced. Do these same folks that knock the price or gimmicky aspect of the Kamui Clear Tip feel the same way about expensive cue chalk. With my car, I always use the very best car wax,.......for my ammunition, I always buy the top brands, regardless of price. Look, I spent a bunch of money on my cues so when it comes to tips, I want nothing but the best. The best isn't determined by price and instead, by one's subjective preference for playability. If that happens to coincide with a more expensive tip, so be it.
Kamui chalk...another gimmick? Perhaps but I don't think so but then again, I don't use inexpensive chalk either.....I use Blue Diamond, cheaper than Kamui but more than Master Chalk, Triangle etc. I use it because it's a higher quality chalk that doesn't flake or chip like regular, adheres better to my cue tips and Blue Diamond happens to cost a little more....nothing like Kamui but a lot more than house brand chalks.
So back to Kamui Clear Tips, there's no gimmick here. Kamui makes a top notch, very high quality tip. They changed the design and maybe it will play better.....I can't wait to get one to find out. If you don't like the existing line of Kamui tips, you won't like the clear version...simple as that. If you play with the any of the Kamui line of tips now, then you may prefer the new Kamui Clear Tip over what you currently use.....but you'll probably stay with Kamui one way or another when it's time to replace your tip.
Personally, I'm a fan of Kamui Onyx tip (medium) but.....ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A KAMUI CLEAR TIP (medium) TO PART WITH? Please contact me by PM anytime and soon I hope because I need to replace a tip right now on one of my Scruggs cue shafts.
IMO.........KAMUI ROCKS!...........I even use the Kamui leather bridge.....another two thumbs up on that bridge.....will never mark your cue shaft! Remember.....One Kamui Clear Tip Medium......Anyone out there with one?
Matt B.
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Did you mean Tiger onyx tip, or are you playing with a kamui.....as i stated earlier there were some kamui clears (very limited amount) that were given out to installers and such as samples to try out on their personal cues.....I was one to receive one and i only received one. These tips will be available at the end of may to the general public. Since installing it i have a bunch of people on a waitlist (or order sheet) to order tips for when i am able to order them. My guess is that they are going to be prety popular. i would team up with your local authorized dealer and get one when they are released.
The Justa Bridge is my favorite. It also in no way leaves any marks due to the very soft felt the shaft runs through. It is also adjustable for any exacting height of shot on the cue. Have carried one since they come out.
I played 9 ball 4 hours straight yesterday with my Kamui black soft tip. It never glazed and didn't lose its shape. I've been playing with this tip for about 9 months so it does play more like a medium, and there's only about half of the orginal side wall left. I am going to keep playing with it just as it is and see how long it will hold up before I have to re shape or scuff it.
I have Kamui black softs on 3 shafts for the same cue. The tips are all slightly different in the texture of the leather. I notice this when I scuff or shape them. Over the years I have played with a lot of different tips and have noticed that the leather in the same brand and hardness of tip varies from tip to tip a little. Probably some of this could be attributed to the install, but since I don't install my own, I can't say how much this affects the tip.
I have Kamui black softs on 3 shafts for the same cue. The tips are all slightly different in the texture of the leather. I notice this when I scuff or shape them. Over the years I have played with a lot of different tips and have noticed that the leather in the same brand and hardness of tip varies from tip to tip a little. Probably some of this could be attributed to the install, but since I don't install my own, I can't say how much this affects the tip.
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made a poll in main forum, feel free to vote
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