Lil Joe's Kicking DVD - Why Reverse Order Sequence?

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I've just had my first viewing of Lil Joe Villalpando's Kicking System DVD and to say that I am very impressed is an understatement. It is probably the best kicking instructional system in the whole wide world, bar none. The only question I have is the reverse instruction sequence - why does he start with 3 rails then end with 1 rail, instead of the other way around. Is this on purpose? It's like he wants you to go to college first, then work your way down to kindergarten. So, should I start at 30:00 Min for 1 rail. and learn the video sequence backwards, or should I just follow the tape in the sequence that Lil Joe set it, i.e., from 3 to 1 rail? What is the reasoning behind either?

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Poolhalljunkie

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I believe the reason for the reverse sequence is after learning the 3 rail and being able to fine tune it with his system that it is easier to hit and make a 1 rail. I remember after watching another kicking DVD that I could hit the ball but it was hard to adjust the one rail because.

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itsfroze

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I've just had my first viewing of Lil Joe Villalpando's Kicking System DVD and to say that I am very impressed is an understatement. It is probably the best kicking instructional system in the whole wide world, bar none. The only question I have is the reverse instruction sequence - why does he start with 3 rails then end with 1 rail, instead of the other way around. Is this on purpose? It's like he wants you to go to college first, then work your way down to kindergarten. So, should I start at 30:00 Min for 1 rail. and learn the video sequence backwards, or should I just follow the tape in the sequence that Lil Joe set it, i.e., from 3 to 1 rail? What is the reasoning behind either?

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I haven't used his DVD but would say that since he his the one teaching the systems and he produced the DVD maybe if you just learn the systems in the order that he presents them possibly the reason for the order may become clear, just my guess. However the important thing is just to learn them all. Best of luck with your kicking.
 

transplant

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Hello,

The three rail is taught first because this is how to determine how a table is playing...long or short. Remeber, very few tables will play identical to the table you do most of your practicing upon. When you go to any new table you must learn the playability of the table. Establishing "home" is key. Use the 3 rail to find your home. Establish how true to these lines the table is, you will also find your extended diamond from here. Once you have home and extended diamond; the two rail and one rail build off of those results. This is the easiest way to know how to make your adjustments without having to learn on the fly...

My best advice to you, is to go to Iowa and take a lesson from Joe. I spent a weekend with him, without having seen his dvd's, and it was the best and most beneficial of any instruction I have ever received. Joe is brilliant, funny, and extremly hospitable. He is well know in the quad city area, and will even take you to some great places to eat. Joe's knowledge, and enthusiasm for teaching will make your visit worth every penny. Pool IS a game of knowledge, and Joe is filled with it!
 

cantplayalick

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Transplant hit it right on the nose! Very observant if this wasn't explained to you from the little guys lips....LOL

Anyone interested in bettering themselves at the game of pool needs to give Joe a chance, and who knows you might be the next champion made.

Knowledge is the key that opens doors....do you have yours?
 

nightmare

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Transplant eloquently put into words exactly what I was going to say as I had asked Joe the same question when I spent an hour or so at the table with him at Derby City.

As someone who played in WPBA tournaments since virtually its inception in the mid '70s, I thought I kicked fairly well - not pinpoint but quite capable of approximating the rail point. After spending an hour or so with Joe, I was floored to find out how easy it is to calculate exactly where to hit the first rail to get to the desired target. Sick when I think about all the games, matches & even titles that not having this knowledge cost me during the course of my career.

I couldn't wait to get home & work on the information that is contained in Joe's DVDs! It took a while to learn & although I still don't "own" it, I'm getting there & my confidence level has skyrocketed. Although I no longer compete, I still play nearly every day & the knowledge contained in both Joe's kicking & position play DVD has taken my game to another level.

They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks...Joe definitely taught this old dog a few!

Thanks, Joe!

Mary Kenniston
 

cantplayalick

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Transplant eloquently put into words exactly what I was going to say as I had asked Joe the same question when I spent an hour or so at the table with him at Derby City.

As someone who played in WPBA tournaments since virtually its inception in the mid '70s, I thought I kicked fairly well - not pinpoint but quite capable of approximating the rail point. After spending an hour or so with Joe, I was floored to find out how easy it is to calculate exactly where to hit the first rail to get to the desired target. Sick when I think about all the games, matches & even titles that not having this knowledge cost me during the course of my career.

I couldn't wait to get home & work on the information that is contained in Joe's DVDs! It took a while to learn & although I still don't "own" it, I'm getting there & my confidence level has skyrocketed. Although I no longer compete, I still play nearly every day & the knowledge contained in both Joe's kicking & position play DVD has taken my game to another level.

They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks...Joe definitely taught this old dog a few!

Thanks, Joe!

Mary Kenniston

And Im thinking Mary knows a thing or two about this game we play...
 

fathomblue

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I'm going to order this today. I'm not sure why I've been holding back.

It's kinda tough for me to drop $70 right now, but a few good kicks might win me that money back.

Or at least that's what I tell myself.


EDIT: I just pulled the trigger. Hopefully this comes in before my league state tournament in early April.
 
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ShootingArts

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Smart Man!

I'm going to order this today. I'm not sure why I've been holding back.

It's kinda tough for me to drop $70 right now, but a few good kicks might win me that money back.

Or at least that's what I tell myself.


Joe is smart! Just got off the phone with him a few minutes ago. Talking to Joe is always fun and educational too. Someone fairly new to pool could cut years off the learning curve spending a month or three with Joe's DVD's. They aren't complicated but they are valuable enough you should own all of the information. People that have been playing for years can still fill in some gaps with these DVD's.

I haven't seen all DVD's of course but Joe's are by far my favorites. Excellent quality and great information.

Did I mention I like Joe and his DVD's? :D :D :D

Hu
 

mosconiac

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...Sick when I think about all the games, matches & even titles that not having this knowledge cost me during the course of my career....
Mary: That's exactly what I tell people...learning Joe's systems will chop years (OK, maybe decades) off your learning curve & give you the knowledge to win more games NOW. That makes the $70 entry fee pretty immaterial in my mind.

In fact, some of the things Joe has shown me in private are "I never would have thought of that on my own" kinds of stuff. I'd have spend my entire life without that knowledge, but I got it from Joe in minutes. :thumbup:
 

fasteddief

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Joe is a great guy.Also a GREAT POOL PLAYER.His knowledge of kicking and the system he teaches is by far the best of any kicking system. Joe keep up the good work. Your Friend FastEddieF.
 

IplayBAD

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I unlike some have the pleasure of living in the same area as Joe, so allow me to enlighten you, from the battles Joe and I have had in tournaments and gambling I can tell you that his knowledge is the equalizer to any physical ability. Joe has seen me in the pool hall for the last 4 years and it wasn't until I took a proactive approach to seek out something that I was missing that I actually started to become a good player. This game is only as difficult as what you make it, and for anybody who plays bar table 8 ball you know that even the biggest stroke can't get you out of some situations that's where joes DVDs come in. He has a system that removes the guess and replaces it with a calculation. Aside from the information joe has to offer, he is an absolute class act and has the patience to help you execute what you learn. In all the numerous people Ive seen him instruct Ive never once heard a bad word spoken. I recommend Joes DVDs and his instruction to any player of any caliber that wants to expand their arsenal!

Shorty
 
I don't own Joe's DVD. But you all have raised my interest here. I have roughly 20-25 distinct systems for kicking a variety of ways.

You have all referred to Joe's methods as a SYSTEM, not SYSTEMS.

You are meaning to tell me that he has developed a single system for all kicks on the pool table?

Multiple people in this thread have referred to it as a SYSTEM (singular).

I have taken pieces of information from many great players on kicking. Bob Jewett, Freddy The Beard, Grady, Jimmy Reid, many others.

None of them have ever made reference to a single system. How could you use the same system for a 1 rail, 2 rail, 3 rail, and 4 rail kick? How can one system work for them all?

It doesn't make sense.

The known billiard systems work fairly well. Jimmy Reid's systems also work remarkably well, although you might have to watch 4 or 5 times because he is sometimes hard to understand.

This has all just baffled my mind. ONE system for kicking? You are making me go out and buy this DVD.
 

cantplayalick

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If thats the case we better slow down then, I still want to get ball in hand when I stick you in jail. If everyone gets this information, it will become much harder. Mums the word!
 

fathomblue

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Watched both of Lil Joe's videos on Friday night. Call it cramming for a test.....as my state 9-ball tournament was the next morning.

Long story short, I'm not sure that I ever missed a kick during the tournament. My cueball control was quite a bit better. Hell, even my banks were more lethal than they'd EVER been and that wasn't even on the videos. Lol.

Anyway, I drew a guy in the 2nd round that I don't think I'd ever even won a SINGLE game against. He was the tourney favorite (he finished 2nd). He's probably underrated in our league by 2 levels.

I had him down 4-1 before he could even settle into his chair. Normally he is an unusually fast player. Combined with everything above and some extremely solid safety play, this guy was like a turtle at the table. He didn't know what to do next.

But, par for the course, I dogged a handful of 9-balls, complete with a pocket of the 8 and scratch in the hill-hill game to give him ball in hand....and so I lost 5-4. It was heartbreaking. :(

I'm really excited to re-watch the videos and actually work on them at my table at home. (I now have a TV/DVD player set up in my basement for practicing).

TWO HUGE THUMBS UP for Lil Joe!!!

And if I'm ever in Iowa, I'm gonna do 2 things:

1. Look up Lil Joe for a lesson.

2. Stay as far away from the Boenke family as possible. They are serious players!
 
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