Linen vs. All other wraps

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Koop

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Hello Cuemakers,

I've been getting into a little war over something and would like to know if you would share your opinion. I will not say on which side I stand, only the argument going on.

It has been stated, without doubt, that linen wraps cause players to be less accurate. It was also stated that ALL cuemakers know this to be fact.

I would like to hear from you, the cuemakers, as to whether or not you believe this to be true and if so, what kind of testing was done to prove it?

Thank you and kind regards,
Koop
 
Personally I think it's a feel factor...not that wrap 'A' is more accurate than wrap 'B'....for me leather 'feels' better in my dry hands...I have a cue with irish linen that I sometimes use in the summer if I'm in a humid room...
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I think the accuracy is a matter of what feels the best in your hand. If a player prefers no wrap to linen, he may be less accurate with linen than he would be with no wrap, for example.

So, IMO, accuracy in pool comes from confidence in yourself and your cue.
 
I agree, a person is going to shoot the best with what feels best, and most comfortable to them.
IMO a linen wrap, leather wrap, or no wrap should not affect the way the cue shoots, and would not affect the cues accuracey.
Chris
 
That Varney, he caused all this controversy.
OK, Varney buddy, just spray over your wraps.
OK?
I say if you're slip stroker, you want it sans wrap.
You can still have a wrap but it gets soggy on humid nights or long wars.
I had leather before and loved it. Not when the war gets long though.
No more leather for me. Just waxed handle.
 
A linen wrapped cue simply causes you to grip the butt tighter...losing accuracy & action. With no wrap...you can hold it very loose, like Busta/Efren, hold the butt with basically just your thumb & one finger. This allows the cue to follow through straighter on shots and you'll get a ton more cueball action. Squeezing the butt of the cue makes you "steer" your stroke a bit...instead of a clean, straight follow through.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
A linen wrapped cue simply causes you to grip the butt tighter...losing accuracy & action. With no wrap...you can hold it very loose, like Busta/Efren, hold the butt with basically just your thumb & one finger. This allows the cue to follow through straighter on shots and you'll get a ton more cueball action. Squeezing the butt of the cue makes you "steer" your stroke a bit...instead of a clean, straight follow through.;)
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I think that this is only going to be true of someone who is used to a wrapless cue. Perhaps a linen wrapped cues simply causes YOU to grip the butt tighter. My hands sweat easily and a wrapless cue wants to slip right out of my hand, causing me to put it in a deathgrip. Which means for ME a wrapless cue is less accurate. I don't think you can attribute the deathgrip to a particular type of wrap or cue.
 
shakes said:
I think that this is only going to be true of someone who is used to a wrapless cue. Perhaps a linen wrapped cues simply causes YOU to grip the butt tighter. My hands sweat easily and a wrapless cue wants to slip right out of my hand, causing me to put it in a deathgrip. Which means for ME a wrapless cue is less accurate. I don't think you can attribute the deathgrip to a particular type of wrap or cue.
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You can't also attribute your death grip with wrapless cue on one kind of finish.
If you have a sprayed-on finish and wax on top, it'd be slippery.
 
Varney Cues said:
A linen wrapped cue simply causes you to grip the butt tighter...losing accuracy & action. With no wrap...you can hold it very loose, like Busta/Efren, hold the butt with basically just your thumb & one finger. This allows the cue to follow through straighter on shots and you'll get a ton more cueball action. Squeezing the butt of the cue makes you "steer" your stroke a bit...instead of a clean, straight follow through.;)
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Here comes the stampede....:D
 
JoeyInCali said:
Here comes the stampede....:D
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Honestly Joey, if your assetion was correct, that ALL cuemakers know this accuracy issue to be true, then why would there be a stampede? If it were actually true the stampede would be directed at me.
 
Koop said:
Honestly Joey, if your assetion was correct, that ALL cuemakers know this accuracy issue to be true, then why would there be a stampede? If it were actually true the stampede would be directed at me.
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Who said all makers know that?
I try to argue with Bob J. b/c he's a mad scientist and I can't disprove him.
Varney, he's a pot stirrer. :D
 
Take your linen wrapped cue. Hold the butt very, very loosely...as you stroke, the linen & cue will be moving in your hand. Like your arm is stroking but the cue is not. Then grip your cue on the clear below the wrap...and stroke with the same loose grip...now the cue moves back & forth...with less finger pressure...and no slipping. I sweat a lot too when I play...but it doesn't make the cue slippery. Simply keep in your case, a towel to wipe off hands & cue...I do this often. Not a lot mind you...but say for a super tough shot...stop, wipe cue & hands off, reapproach shot & begin preshot routine.;)
 
JoeyInCali said:
Varney, he's a pot stirrer. :D
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I've never stirred any of my pot...well maybe once...I was running low & thought maybe there was one more toke in the bowl.
Damn Joey...you think you know everything.:D
 
Varney Cues said:
Take your linen wrapped cue. Hold the butt very, very loosely...as you stroke, the linen & cue will be moving in your hand. Like your arm is stroking but the cue is not. Then grip your cue on the clear below the wrap...and stroke with the same loose grip...now the cue moves back & forth...with less finger pressure...and no slipping. I sweat a lot too when I play...but it doesn't make the cue slippery. Simply keep in your case, a towel to wipe off hands & cue...I do this often. Not a lot mind you...but say for a super tough shot...stop, wipe cue & hands off, reapproach shot & begin preshot routine.;)
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What kind of finish do you have on your pole?
Sprayed on or just a handrubbed finish?
I like my French polish with magic mix. I even put it in my shaft.
 
Varney Cues said:
I've never stirred any of my pot...well maybe once...I was running low & thought maybe there was one more toke in the bowl.
Damn Joey...you think you know everything.:D
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I usually smoke mine. :D
 
Koop said:
Why, you did Joey.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=497201&postcount=31

As for disproving Bob, it's not necessary in this argument. The burden is on the people who argue that linen makes you less accurate, not the other way around.
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What if the linen wrap causes you to deathgrip the cue?
Btw, all makers know you grip hand gets better feedback with bare wood.
Also when you go to long wars with your cue, linen wrap and leather wrap can get sticky and there's not much you can do on the spot.
With bare wood, just wipe it off and put some powder in there if necessary.
You can also apply emergency marking tape when the weather is too cold for you like Efren did at DCC.

I said all makers know bare wood gives the better feedback.
I said WHAT IF LINEN wrap causes you to death grip the cue?
Notice the question mark?
It does to some people. I didn't say all.
Bob is the one who said it factly.
There is no burden of proof in his part b/c there is no trial here and he's not the prosecutor.
If you don't believe him, don't.
If you don't believe Varney, don't.
 
JoeyInCali said:
What kind of finish do you have on your pole?
Sprayed on or just a handrubbed finish?
I like my French polish with magic mix. I even put it in my shaft.
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Very early Jerry Franklin style SW satin finish.;)
I hate a ton of sticky clearcoat.:rolleyes:
 
This has to be one of the dumbest topics I have every seen. Sorry Koop this arguement makes aboslutely no sense. If you want to keep this up why dont everyone just go back to one peice house cues because having a two peice makes you miss more often. Same stupid idea
 
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I agree but everything you do a cue reduces the accuracy of the cue itself. Therefore, cue makers adjust by creating new ways of doing things. That’s why everyone’s cue hits different. The thing that should be discussed is what makes cues different not one aspect of it. Anything besides a one-piece cue has drawbacks right from the beginning
 
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