Linen Wrap Question?

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DrCue'sProtege

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ok, i messed up one thing on the new Jacoby. the irish linen wrap is too smooth, almost like it will slip at times, and i dont like them that way.

when i had the wraps changed on a couple of other cues the cuemaker somehow managed to keep the linen wrap sort of "rough", which felt better to me.

so, is there anything i can do with this linen wrap at this point in time? do they make anything out there than i can apply to the wrap to make it rougher, or seem a little more sticky?

thanks for any help,
DCP
 
Irish Linen Warp Too Smooth

DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, i messed up one thing on the new Jacoby. the irish linen wrap is too smooth, almost like it will slip at times, and i dont like them that way.

when i had the wraps changed on a couple of other cues the cuemaker somehow managed to keep the linen wrap sort of "rough", which felt better to me.

so, is there anything i can do with this linen wrap at this point in time? do they make anything out there than i can apply to the wrap to make it rougher, or seem a little more sticky?

thanks for any help,
DCP
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You could install a new Irish Linen Wrap. Be sure to tell the Cuemaker beforehand that you want it un-smooth (I like that word) so he won't press it too smooth for your needs. :)
 
linen wrap

DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, i messed up one thing on the new Jacoby. the irish linen wrap is too smooth, almost like it will slip at times, and i dont like them that way.

when i had the wraps changed on a couple of other cues the cuemaker somehow managed to keep the linen wrap sort of "rough", which felt better to me.

so, is there anything i can do with this linen wrap at this point in time? do they make anything out there than i can apply to the wrap to make it rougher, or seem a little more sticky?

thanks for any help,
DCP
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This is a good tip, when you get a new wrap put on. As a cuemaker you just can't win. If I make it nice & smooth, someone will want it rough. If I leave it a little rougher, someone will say "I guess you don't know how to get it smooth like so n so". As far as your question, once the linen has been starched & pressed there is no way to bring it back. It can be rouged up with sandpaper,but that leave a shaggy feel. You'll just have to have a new wrap put on...JER
 
The linen is probably pressed very flat and starched, so you can't bring the thread back up to being slightly rounded over on top, which is the feel you describe as wanting. But you could put a few coats of shaft sealer on it to get rid of the silky feel. That will leave it smooth but not slippery. Make sure who ever does it has the super fast drying type of shaft sealer or you might get something I have no experience with. That is the cheaper fix. The other choice is a new wrap.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
You could install a new Irish Linen Wrap. Be sure to tell the Cuemaker beforehand that you want it un-smooth (I like that word) so he won't press it too smooth for your needs. :)
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Mr. Wadsworth, nice to see you post. You should post more often.
 
Couldn't you just get it very very very lightly damp? Seems like when I've got the linen on my cues even slightly damp it raises the linen a bit and makes it rough to the feel of my hand.

Just a thought
 
Wax paper is the best I've seen yet. And those slip on rubbers are great as long as it doesn't fit snug in the case. Last year I had a very enjoyable time watching a pro player destroy his $300.00 case because he couldn't get his cue out. He wasn't laughing but I thought it was hilarious,
 
Michael Webb said:
Wax paper is the best I've seen yet. And those slip on rubbers are great as long as it doesn't fit snug in the case. Last year I had a very enjoyable time watching a pro player destroy his $300.00 case because he couldn't get his cue out. He wasn't laughing but I thought it was hilarious,
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Was trying to figure this post out, and then noticed tonight that it was in reference to something you said on the main forum.

I think it'd suck to get a cue stuck in your case when you have to play. Wonder if anyone got a picture of the pro. That would be funny to see, imagine the facial expression has to be priceless.
 
He posted the question in both forums. No pictures of the pro. He's bigger than me and that's something. But it was priceless and I won't say who it was seeing I still get paid to do his repair work. But I did use this story to my advantage when we discussed the price of a Lizard wrap.
Chalk one up for the cuemaker this time.
 
About Linen wraps - which would be the best way to fasten up the beginning and end part of the wrap?
I've unwrapped cues that have the start up thread just tucked under the weave, glued and pressed... and on the other hand I've seen wraps that are tucked in a small drilled hole and doweled up... which is better?
And what's the best method to hide the seam at the wrap end?

Thanks,

hadj
 
hadjcues said:
About Linen wraps - which would be the best way to fasten up the beginning and end part of the wrap?
I've unwrapped cues that have the start up thread just tucked under the weave, glued and pressed... and on the other hand I've seen wraps that are tucked in a small drilled hole and doweled up... which is better?
And what's the best method to hide the seam at the wrap end?

Thanks,

hadj
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I start the wrap with a drilled hole and finish the wrap with the tuck. The tucked method might not be as secure as the drilled holes but I've never had any problems with it. It's also easier to "dress" up IMO.
 
linen wrap

hadjcues said:
About Linen wraps - which would be the best way to fasten up the beginning and end part of the wrap?
I've unwrapped cues that have the start up thread just tucked under the weave, glued and pressed... and on the other hand I've seen wraps that are tucked in a small drilled hole and doweled up... which is better?
And what's the best method to hide the seam at the wrap end?

Thanks,

hadj
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I have always used the hole & toothpick method. You can not find the begining or ending the way I do it. I don't use glue, but I use a coating of shellac under the wrap...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I have always used the hole & toothpick method. You can not find the begining or ending the way I do it. I don't use glue, but I use a coating of shellac under the wrap...JER
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I'm with Jer on the glue and toothpick. I have been shown how to do the tuck method but I've never pulled it off to my satisfaction.

Shellac instead of glue? Interesting. I just use plain old elmers.
 
Cue Wrap

Hello,

I also prefer the hole and toothpick method. Almost every linen wrap that I have replaced has been the tuck method.
 
I always "peg" (hole & tooth pick) both ends of my wraps. It's a simple process to make them invisable and they never fail. I use Elmers white glue and have no need for any starch to make them as slick as anyone could want it. I can make it as smooth as a silk ribbon and coarse if that's what they prefer. It's all in the way you lay the wrap on, the way you press it, sometimes even sand it, then seal it.

One of the things inexperienced cuemakers don't understand about Irish linen, is that it is a lot like cotton. Get it wet and apply heat, and it shrinks! I usually press my wraps 3 or 4 times in the process. I use water liberally on the linen which causes it to shrink up nice and tight when the press heats it up with the friction.

OK Since I'm bragging about my wraps I'll take it a step farther and tell this little story! About 15 years ago I bought one of the original manuscripts David Kersenbrock wrote on cuemaking and cuemaking machinery. I'd been making cues a while but I'm always looking for a better way to do something. I spent a few hours talking about it with Dave at a trade show or tournament somewhere and decided his promise of "lifetime free telephone tech support" along with the purchase of his manuscript made it a bargain! I took him up on that offer and called him several times for some advise on different things. Several years later I purchased my CNC machine and made arrangements to pick it up in Minneapolis. The trip took me through Chicago so I made arrangements to stop by Omega Cues and spend a little time with David, while I was passing through. He gave me the "nickel tour" of Omega and answered a few questions for me before we took off for lunch! When we got in my car he saw a cue case and asked to see some of my recent work. He was amazed at the linen wrap on my playing cue! He had me tell him, step by step, how I made it so smooth! He told me he could do a leather wrap in about 20 minutes, start to finish, but he could work all day and not get a linen wrap looking and feeling that good! It was, to me, probably the best compliment I ever received about one of my cues! Coming from one of my mentors and people I had so much respect for, it meant so much more!

just more hot air!


Sherm
 
That was a great story Sherm.

I'm not much different then most, as I use the toothpick method also, and dress the ends before pressing. I have tried the sealer on a personal cue I made, and it does work, altough mine got smoother over time. When I first played with It though I noticed that there was something white showing up on it everytime I shot. Was'nt until My hand started hurting alittle that I realized it was rolling the skin off My hand, and that's what I was seeing on the wrap :p Now that It's broke In that does'nt happen, and It actually feels pretty good.

Greg
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
ok, i messed up one thing on the new Jacoby. the irish linen wrap is too smooth, almost like it will slip at times, and i dont like them that way.

when i had the wraps changed on a couple of other cues the cuemaker somehow managed to keep the linen wrap sort of "rough", which felt better to me.

so, is there anything i can do with this linen wrap at this point in time? do they make anything out there than i can apply to the wrap to make it rougher, or seem a little more sticky?

thanks for any help,
DCP
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Try wraping the linen with masking tape then remove it.
That should rough up the linen a bit.
Also you can damp the linen with a wet paper towel.
 
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