Liquor = Success???

back2good1

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I am looking for feedback from existing billiard parlor owners/managers. Is a liquor license a requirment for success in your room? I have seen several rooms in my home state (FL) for sale... all of which have no liquor license.
Thanks,

-Back2good1
 
b2g1:
I am not an owner but have managed a small (non-liquor) room for a while. We just did not make much money from the table rent.

Be careful because it is not only liquor that billiards players want, they also want smoking environments. I used to go to a great room in Bellingham, Washington that was smoke and liquor free and it fell on its face in a BIG way, even though they had the nicest place for 500 miles around and the best pizza for 1000 miles around. It just couldn't make it.

You might be able to get by if you have plenty of arcade games and coin-drop tables to supplement the hourly big tables.

Billiards is the draw... liquor and food are the profits....
 
Yeah, I have seen the smoking ban kill some nice rooms in the USA. Fortunately, smoking is still allowed in rooms in FL... you just have to have minimal food sales.

-Back2good1
 
Funny I was just in St Pete for turkey day and played at a place that said in there ad smokers welcome! The tables hadn't seen new felt in who knows how long, they will never see me again.. Personally I dont care if others smoke & drink themselves silly I just want quality tables and clean restrooms!!
Dan
 
I personally prefer non-smoking, non-drinking places...but that's just me.

I also know quite a few smokers that prefer non-smoking places as well...but know a few that can't shoot a lick without a drag in between.

I tend to think society is finally leaning toward the non-smoking way, especially here in Florida.

Shorty
 
BillYards said:
b2g1:
I used to go to a great room in Bellingham, Washington that was smoke and liquor free and it fell on its face in a BIG way, even though they had the nicest place for 500 miles around and the best pizza for 1000 miles around. It just couldn't make it.
I used to live right down the street from that pool hall in Bellingham, on James and Alabama. I can't remember the name, something like Chiccittis, or close to it. I didn't play much while I was living there though but I do remember that they didn't get much business. Nice place, if it's the same one you're talking about. Peace, John.
 
My .02 cents

A Pool room without liquor or food is a MOM and POP
operation to me, or just a teenagers hangout, and
serious players do not really go for that type of
environment.

The only exception to that around here is The Cue Shop,
as we call it. It is Shurtz custom cues with 4 GC's in the
front of the shop, and a nice 'small' pool room environment
where 14.1 and 1 pocket go on all the time. They do have a
pop machine, bottled water, tea, and various candy bars, jerky,
etc..
 
back2good1 said:
I am looking for feedback from existing billiard parlor owners/managers. Is a liquor license a requirment for success in your room? I have seen several rooms in my home state (FL) for sale... all of which have no liquor license.
Thanks,

-Back2good1
I don't know about other states but liquor licenses are different in Florida. There are two kinds of licenses one is a 2-cop license for beer and wine the other is a full liquor license. Liquor licenses are issued every so many years with a lottery system based on the census. Existing licenses are bought and sold often bringing $100,000 to $200,000. Few small bars actually have a liquor license unless they won it in the lottery or have been around for a zillion years when you could get them because of the cost. A beer wine license on the other hand is as easy to get as a drivers license, easier maybe and very cheap and one would be a fool not to have one. All that is needed is to meet the zoning requirements although there can also be local requirements and if they are too stiff then don't open there why be where you aren't wanted anyway. You can also sell package good with a 2-cop license . I had a place near a bunch of apartment complexes and made a fortune just selling six packs to go. To recap, in Florida there is no reason to not have the beer license, it will greatly increase your chances of success.
 
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liquor & Beer = MONEY in the bank! Pool table rent is just an extra as well as finger foods.
 
Rudedog:
Yeah, Chiccittis or however you spell it was the place to which I was referring. It was a fun place to play, but just did not get any momentum without the party atmosphere going. No smoking, no drinking. No longer in business. Loved their pepperonin and pineapple pizza!! God, was it good! Got my shaft all greasy too!

Went back up there and the billard hall was closed but they still had a restaurant... so I took my wife there for pizza... walked up to the counter and saw.... flies on the pizzas in the display case and just about barfed. I never went back.

I lived in Bellingham from September 1995 until January of 1996 when I moved to Seattle. Played once or twice at the 2-11, where I scored my high run in 3 cushion (4!). Haha! Played at Jillians, got lessons from Dan Louie there once... Sometimes played the City Lights (Tacoma) tournaments. Played a fair amount at PJ Pockets in SeaTac. Loved Belltown Billiards... had a great night there when they had a live Jazz band... But my favorite spot was a place in Auburn that was a java shop and billiards hall. I would go play every Saturday morning while my girlfriend slept in. The place was empty, so I could really practice and concentrate. Sometimes my friends would join me and we just talked and shot, discussing and solving our life problems while pocketing balls. It was real quality time. I just don't have that right now, down here in Puerto Rico.
 
yeah i dont really see going to a place if they dont serve alcohol. i dont drink but if nobody else is it can turn into a battle zone once u start betting it up
 
BillYards said:
Went back up there and the billard hall was closed but they still had a restaurant... so I took my wife there for pizza...

But my favorite spot was a place in Auburn that was a java shop and billiards hall. I would go play every Saturday morning while my girlfriend slept in.

BillYards...You have a wife AND a girlfriend???? :eek: How does that work? :D LOL

Scott Lee
 
One of the local pool rooms that I occasionally go to is a no alcohol room but they do allow smoking. They have softdrinks and snacks but no beer or liquor. They seem to do allright. It is more of a teenager hangout on Friday and Saturday night though. The other pool room nearby serves beer and liquor and require you to be 21 to even be in there. It gets a lot more business on the weekends for sure but can get a little rough and rowdy. Drinking + Gambling + Losing = Somebody's Gettin' Hurt. There has been several "violent" occurences. You'd have to be crazy to go in there by yourself on a Friday night and try to hustle a couple hundred bucks which I attribute mostly to the drinking being allowed :D .
 
Liquor Success

back2good1 said:
I am looking for feedback from existing billiard parlor owners/managers. Is a liquor license a requirment for success in your room? I have seen several rooms in my home state (FL) for sale... all of which have no liquor license.
Thanks,

-Back2good1


I have been in business for 13 yrs with out allowing drinking and do ok. But you wont get rich or raise a family without the food and booze. I have been single for 16 yrs and run my room all by myself cause I have to. Also, I did a written survey test about 5 yrs ago just to get an idea and 85% of the people said that if I went non-smoking they would not come back.
 
highrun55 said:
I have been in business for 13 yrs with out allowing drinking and do ok. But you wont get rich or raise a family without the food and booze. I have been single for 16 yrs and run my room all by myself cause I have to. Also, I did a written survey test about 5 yrs ago just to get an idea and 85% of the people said that if I went non-smoking they would not come back.

You say you don't allow drinking, is that by choice or you are not permitted to?
In Florida in most places there are no age restrictions regardless of whether you serve beer or not. It is the same license that they have in restaurants where you can have a drink while having dinner with your family. Most better restaurants serve beer and have a wine list but they don't tell you the kids have to stay out in the car it is perfectly fine for them to be there. There is no distinction, although the owner can impose their own rules as to age requirements if they wish. Some places like bars don't want minors there since there is no reason for them to be there, they can't drink. A pool room though has other things going on besides the drinking and teens have a reason to be there.
 
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I think if you are going to keep the liquor out of it then you must make it all ages of course. Another big thing I see with pool halls that dont serve alcohol is that Location is very important. You are going to have to put the hall in a popular Residential/Commercial area so the kids assume it will be a cool place to hang out. Get nice tables of course but also spend a lot of money on making the place look really nice, get some neon and stuff like that, if your place looks cool, kids will want to be there.

And of course make it smoking.

This is all just an observation of the liquor-less rooms in my area. I consider location to be the biggest thing for the success of a poolhall.

Now me on the other hand, I could care less what the place really looks likem if they have nice tables and a friendly enviorment, liquor or not, you can count me in. Afterall, I went there to shoot pool, not drink. But like I said above, their are no towns that are occupied by only pool players, therefore you must do what you have to do to get the non-players in your room.

(I have been thinking about opening up a room myself when my father retires, this way he would be available to help me and stuff. Just an idea Im tossing around. If it does ever happen, it wont be for a few years. But as you can tell, I have been thinking about it. :))
 
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Scott Lee said:
BillYards...You have a wife AND a girlfriend???? :eek: How does that work? :D LOL

Scott Lee



Oops! Did I say that?? Uh... No... I meant.... Uh... Did I tell you they had great pizza??
 
Yeah... I guess I should have been more specific. Since the beer/wine license is so easy to get... that would be automatic. Its the actual hard stuff that I am wondering about. The only room I can think of that has no beer/liquor and is still doing well is Hard Times in CA. Speaking of Hard Times... why dont more pool rooms put in bleachers? I think it is a great idea.

-Back2good1
 
Location

Location is important. About 18-19 years ago, we had
2 Pool rooms start up, not particularly a good area,
south of mid town about 3-4 miles, but they went over.
The fact that they are on the same street and about
1 mile apart from each other made it convenient for the
money players especially. They are both popular places
with 10 bar tables apiece, and one has a Brunswick 9 footer.

We had another place start up on the East side of town about
the same distance south but, by my car, 7 minutes travel time
going full bore to the East. The place out East has the best
paybacks for tournaments. Weekly, monthly, etc are 200%
payback, but many players will not go there because it is
East and not in their real comfort zone. Lori, the owner is
a real sweetheart of a woman, a good player, and she goes
the extra mile for the players. She just had an annual memorial
tournament for 32 players that paid $750 plus $500 Shurtz custom
cue to the winner plus a calcutta too. The women's tournament
paid $500 plus $350 Shurtz cue plus calcutta. BUT she never fills
up her tournaments, and some of us regular players there just can
not understand why. Many players would rather play in tournaments
where they are getting 125% payback than travel 10 minutes further
for 200% payback.

Now, we have a big place on the westside of town (1st one) called
SidePockets with 33 tables (bar and full), and it does okay, better
since they gave in to gambling. Real nice place, little higher prices,
good tables, gets a lot of the early 20's after work crowd and a few
intermediate type money players.

The 2 on the same street though are the known 'money' places
though, and they get the most business and players in there.

I think as long as a Pool room offers what people want, they will get
the people as long as the location in not in a bad bad area of town, but
life long players are funny about where they patronize, and usually
very loyal to where they go unless big $$$ come into the picture.
 
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