List of Players for Reno?

rackmsuckr said:
... My intention was to figure out the draw. If they just seed by placing, then the top 40 shown below will form the first 40 groups, and each successive 40 would be drawn into their respective groups. For example, taken by the list below, in group 1, you would have #1, Thorsten Hohmann, #41 Markus Juva, #81 - Tony Chohan, #121 - Ronny Wiseman, and #161 - John Kutcher.
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Thanks for the list.

I think the placement will be like watering with a garden hose (back and forth), so in 40 groups with 200 players the first group would be the 1, 80, 81, 160 and 161 seeds. Placement as above (like a typewriter) would make group 1 much stronger on average than group 40.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Thanks for the list.

I think the placement will be like watering with a garden hose (back and forth), so in 40 groups with 200 players the first group would be the 1, 80, 81, 160 and 161 seeds. Placement as above (like a typewriter) would make group 1 much stronger on average than group 40.
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If I had the power:rolleyes: I would seed the top 120 using the method Bob describes and then I would randomly draw the remaining 80 into groups since a fair number of the qualifiers aren't ranked since they didn't play in the first tournament and all of the ones tied with $2,000 could be ranked by winning percentage but that was pretty dependant on how strong their group was in Vegas and a lot of the first-time qualifiers will be better than a lot of the players ranked 121 and lower.
 
Linda, do you know why John Pinegar (aka: Hennessey), currently ranked 53rd, is not in the field? I don't believe he is a member, but I thought his money ranking would qualify him for the field. Is that not so?
 
I would think the seeding would go something like this.
Showing 4 of the 40 groups.

1 ----2 (...) ---39 --- --40
80 - --79 (...) 42------41
120 ---119 (....) 80 - -- -81
160 ----159 (....) 122 --- 121
200-----199 (....) 162 --- 161

This type of seeding pits top ranked against the bottom rank in each group of 40. The lower your ranking in the top 40 the higher the ranking of your opponents.

If they do it this way it sure does look good for Thorsten to repeat.

Well, at least it should be a cakewalk for him to get to round 2.

In actuality one can say that for all of the top 40.

One thing for sure, the top 40 will not have to face any of the other top 40 in round 1.

Jake
 
tedkaufman said:
Linda, do you know why John Pinegar (aka: Hennessey), currently ranked 53rd, is not in the field? I don't believe he is a member, but I thought his money ranking would qualify him for the field. Is that not so?
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No, only the top 6 money earners qualifiers were assured of getting a spot by virtue of their winnings. All other qualifiers had to requalify. :(
 
Bob Jewett said:
Thanks for the list.

I think the placement will be like watering with a garden hose (back and forth), so in 40 groups with 200 players the first group would be the 1, 80, 81, 160 and 161 seeds. Placement as above (like a typewriter) would make group 1 much stronger on average than group 40.
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Actually, the way I proposed does not make the top ones tougher, as their last 2 draws are somewhat easy and still not dipping into the qualifier list, whereas someone in my spot is going to be playing at least one qualifier plus all the guys above me. Granted, there aren't that many below me, lol.

When we figured out Mike's bracket, compared to mine in this way, he had Efren and another top player, but then the other 2 were much easier, so the top 3 to make it out of the bracket were pretty apparent(Efren, John Schmidt, Mike Z, Danny DiLiberto, Ryan Keller), whereas in my group, it looked like the other 4 were all good (Johnny Archer, Ralph Eckert, Stefan Santl, and Danny Harriman).

It will be interesting. I expect the draw to come out tomorrow.
 
Why?

Should Rico Diks be chosen over David Matlock, considering thier finishes in the NAO and qualifiers they played in?
 
Snapshot9 said:
Should Rico Diks be chosen over David Matlock, considering thier finishes in the NAO and qualifiers they played in?
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They decided that the first qualification for the World Open alternate list would be the most third place finishes in World Open quailifiers. Rico Diks was the only player to finish third twice. I believe the second tiebreaker was one third place finish and the highest number of World Open qualifiers played.

The cynic in me says they did it this way to promote as many entries into qualifiers as possible though I don't think they announced this before the qualifiers started so that might shoot a hole in that theory.
 
On the list of entrants....is the "Sandor Tot" who qualified this time, the Serbian Sandor Tot? There are 2 of them with the same name, one from Hungary and the other from Serbia. In the last IPT event, the Sandor Tot that competed was helpfully(!) listed with an Italian flag next to his name!
 
Scotty Scotland said:
On the list of entrants....is the "Sandor Tot" who qualified this time, the Serbian Sandor Tot? There are 2 of them with the same name, one from Hungary and the other from Serbia. In the last IPT event, the Sandor Tot that competed was helpfully(!) listed with an Italian flag next to his name!
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I think the hungarian version lives in Italy. I'm pretty sure that the flags are based on what country the player selects when they fill in a form and submit theyre entry.
 
Guys no need to worry about Rico Diks as he qualified for the World Open via a qualifier in Switzerland along with Sander Tot so i assume the places that are open thru players dropping out will be those on the reserve list.

So i dont know where you got the idea from that he hadn't qualified and was placed in the tournament via the reserve list. :confused:
 
soz guys slap me when you see me i apologise i was looking at the NA qualifiers but i thought he had qualified... maybe not DOH!!!!
 
CrashnBurn said:
soz guys slap me when you see me i apologise i was looking at the NA qualifiers but i thought he had qualified... maybe not DOH!!!!
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Rico Diks didn't win any qualifiers for the World Open, but he is the only competitor to finish 3rd in two separate qualifiers. With Rempe and Hall backing out, the IPT has two additional slots to fill, and they stated that the spots would be given to any players finishing 3rd in the qualifiers with ties going to those that played in the most qualifiers.

Diks should have the first replacement spot, but no official announcement has been made yet.
 
I just thought of a reason why they might wait until the last minute to post the groupings this time.

If they announce the groupings and then one of the top 40 seeds had to pull out they would have to put a person from the alternate list in the group that had already been drawn and that would (theoretically) make that an easier group than the other 39.
 
Keith Buck said:
If they announce the groupings and then one of the top 40 seeds had to pull out they would have to put a person from the alternate list in the group that had already been drawn and that would (theoretically) make that an easier group than the other 39.
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True. But, as seen in Vegas, the qualifiers are not much of a step down from the Top 40. A replacement wouldn't turn a tough group into an easy group.

I understand the IPT holding back the groupings to avoid any last minute changes like that, but I'm selfish and want to see them as soon as possible.

The player groupings for the NA Open were announced on the Tuesday evening prior to the tournament. At this point, approximately 50 hours before the player's meeting, the IPT has not even announced the two replacement players to the public. I assume the two replacement players already know who they are so they could at least make travel arrangements.
 
coreyh said:
I understand the IPT holding back the groupings to avoid any last minute changes like that, but I'm selfish and want to see them as soon as possible.

The player groupings for the NA Open were announced on the Tuesday evening prior to the tournament. At this point, approximately 50 hours before the player's meeting, the IPT has not even announced the two replacement players to the public. I assume the two replacement players already know who they are so they could at least make travel arrangements.
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I agree it's probably good to withhold the groups until the player list is final, but as you say, it's getting a little late, the player list really should be complete by now.

Also, I too am selfish and I want to see the groups. And also I want Stan James to review the draw and post the odds. That way I could entertain myself by thinking about which players I would bet on if Stan James still took bets from the US...

It would be nice if they at least published the way the seeding is going to work, in order to help out with the pre-draw speculation.

I wonder if they are going to limit to one woman per group like last time... I would doubt it. I don't really see any reason to do it now that all the women have IPT ranks (except for Jasmin, and IMO she shouldn't and probably doesn't want to be treated differently from any other qualifier). In fact I wasn't a big fan of this last time either. I also think qualifiers shouldn't be put into different groups artificially (but first-time qualifiers maybe will be split up because they have $0 IPT earnings, which makes sense).
 
per the IPT website ...

Rico Dicks and Dave Matlock to fill two open spots in the World Open!
(The Headline on the IPT website).

I bet Rico doesn't like to be called a Dick, and David does not like to be called Dave..... lol

It's like about everytime I play in a larger tournament, I always have to say it's Fraser with no i or z, I am a Scotman, not a German. Actually, I am Scottish, English, and French, which also just happens to be my initials, SEF.
 
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