Live Scoring of Women's World 9-Ball Championship

Tbeaux said:
Someone in the know please explainthis to me. Using this link-http://www.baroc.org/06amway/results/indexen.php and the story on AZBs front page, please explain how Monica ends up in fourth?

Three players with 3-2 match records, each with three points (match wins I assume), one has to win 22 games and loses 14 games, one has to win 22 games and loses 15games, Monica wins her three matches in only 19 games and loses 14 games.??:confused: ??
The front page story on AZB says she lost out by one rack! WHERE! Her 14 racks lost beats #3 players 15 racks by one, her 19 wins to get 3 matches beats #3 players 22 racks to do the same! Some one please explain where my thinking on this is wrong.:confused:

Terry

It goes by the win - loss record and racks won and racks lost
for example
player 1 W 5 - L 0 = rw 25 rl 0 +25
player 2 W 4 - L 1 = rw 23 rl 8 +15
player 3 W 4 - L 1 = rw 21 rl 11 +10
player 4 W 2 - L 3 = rw 16 rl 19 - 3
player 5 W 1 - L 4 = rw 9 rl 23 -14
player 6 W 0 - L 5 = rw 4 rl 25 -21

I hope that helps clarify it!

no-sho
 
Melissa Herndon said:
Hi Tbeaux,

I think I can explain how the invitations were issued...if that is your question. I will also address the appearance fee issue.

Let me start by explaining that the World Championship and the Amway Cup used to be 2 separate events. The World Championships were done through the WPA (World Pool Association) and each continent is a ceratin amount of invitations based on population and the pool organizations there. For example, Asia usually gets a high number of invites because they have a large population and the APBU has a large number of members. Europe has the EPBF, so they also get a large number of invites. This year, Europe got 12 invites, Asia got 18 (the 8 qualifiers were also all Asian players, so the field had 26 Asians total), and North America (the BCA) got 6 invites. The WPBA is not really involved....everything is done thru the BCA to decide which Americans will play. The 6 invites are issued by ranking thru the WPBA...but only the American players can represent the BCA. So, Monica Webb, who is 3rd in the WPBA would be the #1 American player. Vivian and Jeanette both declined their invitations...for reasons unknown to me.

In the past, the Amway Cup has always been an invitational event, sponsored by Mr. Tu. It is usually a 12 player field...and he would choose the players he wanted from around the world. They would be paid an appearance fee in addition to any prize monies. Mr. Tu would also pay their expenses.

This year, since Taiwan is the host for the World Championships, Mr. Tu chose to combine the 2 events...thus creating the 2006 Amway World Championships. Instead of paying appearance fees to the players, they increased the total purse to $70,000 USD. The champion will receive $20,000....as compared to the last World Championship when Ga-Young only won $8,000.

I do not know for sure, but I believe some players made the decision not to come because of the close scheduling of events...and because a player has to finish high to make any money. Even though the purse in increased, it is extremely top heavy...so you have to finish in the top 4 to do well. In addition, because of the short race and round robin format...there were no guarantees that any player would make it to the championship rounds. As an example...Monica Webb...who is the #1 ranked American player...did not make it through her group with a 3-2 record...but I did make it...and I also had a 3-2 record. But in her group, there were a couple other players who were 3-2, and so it was decided with a win-loss ratio. In my group, Ga-young won 5, Kelly F. won 4, and I won 3. The other girls won 2, 1, and 0. So it was clear in our group who would advance.

All in all, I think the decision not to play was a combination of 3 things. Close scheduling to WPBA events stateside, discontinuation of appearance fees, and the highly irregular format and prize money.

I hope that clears up any and all questions!

And on a personal note...I am having a great time! Money, format, scheduling aside....this was a wonderful opportunity to visit a new country and represent the USA on the world stage. Every moment has been exciting...and I'm very happy that I didn't let anything cause me to miss out on this experience.

All the best from Taiwan!
Melissa

All the best to you in the tournament!

It is a tough field with a lot of talented players, I am glad you, Tiffany and Jennifer are doing so well.

Richard
 
Zhou loses to Takagi hill hill in the first match of the day. In match 2 Jennifer Barretta comes back from 5-2 beat Kelly Fisher on the hill.
Tiffany Nelson jumped out to 3-0 lead (pretty sure) in 3rd match but her opponent who i dont know of or about has come back to take the lead 4-3 as we speak.

Ga Young's parents have just arrived at the arena as well as her sister who didnt try to qualify this year. Wu Chia Ching (sp?) is also in attendence and Chao was around yesterday.
 
Snapshot9 said:
What does 'RSA' stand for? Russia?
What is the difference between 'NED' and 'NOR' - Isn't Norway part of the Netherlands?

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:eek:
You are hereby sentenced to 10 push ups - a punishment much used in our poolrooms when players show lack of respect or otherwise misbehaves.

Is Kansas a part of USA?

regards,
Pooladdict - Norway, and I don't understand one word Dutch - which incidently is the language spoken in the Netherlands.

And, RSA is Republic of South Africa.
 
Nostroke said:
In match 2 Jennifer Barretta comes back from 5-2 beat Kelly Fisher on the hill.

It was just six days ago that Kelly Fisher knocked Jennifer out in the single elimination portion of the WPBA Carolina Classic. Nice to see that it was Jennifer's turn.
 
10?

pooladdict said:
:eek:
You are hereby sentenced to 10 push ups - a punishment much used in our poolrooms when players show lack of respect or otherwise misbehaves.

Is Kansas a part of USA?

regards,
Pooladdict - Norway, and I don't understand one word Dutch - which incidently is the language spoken in the Netherlands.

And, RSA is Republic of South Africa.

I can still do 100-200? And I usually do mine with my feet elevated on 2 steps, and I am 58..... lol

Now for scoring for Friday (so far):

13:00~14:00 121(16th-17th) Makiko Takagi????? Vs. Meng-Meng Zhou??? 7:6

14:00~15:00 122(9th-24th) Kelly Fisher????? Vs. Jennifer Barretta??????? 6:7

15:00~16:00 123(21th-12th) Tiffany Nelson??????? Vs. Akio Otani???? 4:7

16:00~17:00 124(13th-20th) Wendy Jans????? Vs. Yukiko Hamanishi????? 5:7

17:00~18:00 125(14th-19th) Shu-Pin Kao??? Vs. Hsiang-Lihg Tan??? 5:7

18:00~19:00 126(11th-22th) Keiko Yukawa???? Vs. Shin-Mei Liu???

19:00~20:00 127(23th-10th) Melissa Herndon??????? Vs. Helena Thomfeldt????????

20:00~21:00 128(18th-15th) Rubilen Amit??????? Vs. Charlotte Sorensen???????
 
Snapshot9 said:
What does 'RSA' stand for? Russia?
What is the difference between 'NED' and 'NOR' - Isn't Norway part of the Netherlands?

<picks himself up from rolling around on the floor with tears streaming from his eyes!>

Thanks snapshot that is one of the funniest things I've ever read, you really do need to get out of that cave from time to time :D

Mind you hvaing said that in order to make you feel better I thought I would share some other classic quotes with you, all incidently from the first time I visited the states to go travelling 10 years ago...

"Do you speak English in England?"

"Did you drive to America?"

"Do you have telephones in England too?"


:eek:
 
You're right ...

TheOne said:
<picks himself up from rolling around on the floor with tears streaming from his eyes!>

Thanks snapshot that is one of the funniest things I've ever read, you really do need to get out of that cave from time to time :D

Mind you hvaing said that in order to make you feel better I thought I would share some other classic quotes with you, all incidently from the first time I visited the states to go travelling 10 years ago...

"Do you speak English in England?"

"Did you drive to America?"

"Do you have telephones in England too?"


:eek:

I have been hibernating this winter, and it has been the warmest winter
I can ever remember here ...

You'll never know how many times in the Navy I was asked, after they found out I was from Dodge City, if we still rode horses down the streets,
or if Marshall Dillon (from Gunsmoke) was still around? lol Not to mention the Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson questions...
 
Rubilen Amit of the Philippines just lost to Sorensen in a hill-hill battle 6-7. Tough way to go out. Good luck to the rest of the field!
 
no-sho said:
It goes by the win - loss record and racks won and racks lost
for example
player 1 W 5 - L 0 = rw 25 rl 0 +25
player 2 W 4 - L 1 = rw 23 rl 8 +15
player 3 W 4 - L 1 = rw 21 rl 11 +10
player 4 W 2 - L 3 = rw 16 rl 19 - 3
player 5 W 1 - L 4 = rw 9 rl 23 -14
player 6 W 0 - L 5 = rw 4 rl 25 -21

I hope that helps clarify it!

no-sho

Thanks no-sho,

Yes that clarify's what they are doing and shows why Monie missed out on moving on. However there is still a basic flaw in this format and tie breaker system. Allow me- ex. (all matches went hill-hill, race to 5)

player A W 4 - L 1 = rw 24 rl 5 +19 pts 4
player B W 4 - L 1 = rw 24 rl 5 +19 pts 4
player C W 4 - L 1 = rw 24 rl 5 +19 pts 4
player D W 3 - L 2 = rw 23 rl 10 +13 pts 3
player E W 0 - L 5 = rw 20 rl 25 -5 pts 0
player F W 0 - L 5 = rw 20 rl 25 -5 pts 0

Who gets the next round bye?

Terry
ps- GOOD LUCK Melissa and Jenn and have fun!!
 
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Make sense .. will ya?

Tbeaux said:
Thanks no-sho,

Yes that clarify's what they are doing and shows why Monie missed out on moving on. However there is still a basic flaw in this format and tie breaker system. Allow me- ex. (all matches went hill-hill, race to 5)

player A W 4 - L 1 = rw 18 rl 10 +8 pts 4
player B W 4 - L 1 = rw 18 rl 10 +8 pts 4
player C W 4 - L 1 = rw 18 rl 10 +8 pts 4
player D W 3 - L 2 = rw 19 rl 10 +9 pts 3
player E W 0 - L 5 = rw 1 rl 10 -9 pts 0
player F W 0 - L 5 = rw 1 rl 10 -9 pts 0

player D loses out on pts (match wins) but has higher differential than the first three finishers. Who gets the next round bye? Oh and just to clarify player A lost to player B, who lost to player C, who lost to player A.

Terry
ps- GOOD LUCK Melissa and Jenn and have fun!!


Both your examples make no sense UNLESS

1) They played 5 sets of race to 5
OR
2) Racks won and racks lost are accumulative through all matches.

Simply put, you can not have more racks won or lost than games played
unless 1 of the above conditions exists.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Both your examples make no sense UNLESS

1) They played 5 sets of race to 5
OR
2) Racks won and racks lost are accumulative through all matches.

Simply put, you can not have more racks won or lost than games played
unless 1 of the above conditions exists.

EDIT OPPS sorry still haven't had enough coffee!
Edit 2- Thanks Scott, I went back and made the numbers right.

Terry
 
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I was looking at the xbreaker site's pics and i see pics of Karen Corr and maybe Alison at the WPA Amway tourny. They are not playing though? What happened there? How can it be a true World 9 ball championship without Karen and Alison?

I'm rooting for Jeannie Seaver, can someone clarify for me where she stand? Right now they are doing qualification rounds to get to the single elimination championship round? They do round robins til the championship round of 16 players and from there they do a 16 player single elimination bracket?

thanks for any clarification on this.
 
uwate said:
I was looking at the xbreaker site's pics and i see pics of Karen Corr and maybe Alison at the WPA Amway tourny. They are not playing though? What happened there? How can it be a true World 9 ball championship without Karen and Alison?

I'm rooting for Jeannie Seaver, can someone clarify for me where she stand? Right now they are doing qualification rounds to get to the single elimination championship round? They do round robins til the championship round of 16 players and from there they do a 16 player single elimination bracket?

thanks for any clarification on this.

You must have clicked on the 2005 Amway pics. Last I heard Jeannie was still in it. I'm still trying to figure out the earlier eliminations.:confused:

Terry
 
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uwate said:
I was looking at the xbreaker site's pics and i see pics of Karen Corr and maybe Alison at the WPA Amway tourny. They are not playing though? What happened there? How can it be a true World 9 ball championship without Karen and Alison?

I'm rooting for Jeannie Seaver, can someone clarify for me where she stand? Right now they are doing qualification rounds to get to the single elimination championship round? They do round robins til the championship round of 16 players and from there they do a 16 player single elimination bracket?

thanks for any clarification on this.


The round robin stage is over. Jeannie plays tomorrow vs jennifer Barretta. Jeannie did so well in the RR stage that she was seeded and didnt have to play on day 1 of the single elimination tournament. She spent the day watching matches and getting psyched for tomorrow. Either she or Jennifer will advance tomorrow and get eighth at worst. Either could win it all. When Jeannie is on she just gets in a rhythm and runs out in nothing flat. Jen must concentrate on every shot and she can do that as well as anyone here. Both these ladies have been my 'longshot picks' to win it all.
 
Are there any updates for today's matches? The website I went to still doesn't have yesterdays matches posted:( It's a good thing we have people here on the board to give us updates when they can.
 
sniper said:
Are there any updates for today's matches? The website I went to still doesn't have yesterdays matches posted:( It's a good thing we have people here on the board to give us updates when they can.

Check the story just posted on AZB front page. Great write up of the days matches.

Jenn B won over Kelly F, Melissa H lost a nail biter to Helena T.

Terry
 
In Saturday matches, Miss Ga Young Kim defeats Mikiko Takagi easily 7-1 and Jeannie Seaver defeats Jennifer Barretta 7-6 in a rather sloppy affair.
 
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